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Cancer cure, but FDA and doctors would rather have your cash and not the cure.

Started by b0rg13, May 30, 2008, 07:59:29 PM

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wizardofmars

Quote from: amigo on August 08, 2008, 09:52:24 PM

Remember onus is on YOU to prove the claims were wrong. So far nobody is going to take your word for it unless you can provide some factual evidence.

You have this backwards Amigo. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. There are billions of bogus theories out there and it's impossible to disprove them all. The burden of proof rests with the quacks.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. If you rely solely on anecdotal evidence and reject the scientific method, you may as well be in the Middle Ages.


It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. - Chinese proverb

wizardofmars

Quote from: amigo on August 09, 2008, 12:14:21 PM
If none of those testimonials were true, logically I do not see what any of them would stand to gain themselves. Dr. Beck has nothing to gain now either - he's dead so it really does not matter to him.

Do you really believe proponents of alt cancer cures have 'nothing to gain'?  Alternative cancer cures are big money and conmen have been getting rich from desperate sick people for hundreds of years. That includes paying dupes to provide 'testimonials'. If I judged life by testimonials I guess I shouldn't ever watch informercials since they are full of testimonials as well, filmed by smiling actors.

Every time the FDA locks up one of these quacks it turns out they've been pocketing hundreds of thousands of dollars without curing anyone. Beck may be an exception but for every wrong headed philanthropist like him there are a hundred snake oil salesmen who just want your money.

Jacek just posted a link to a cancer site above - http://thenaturalcancercure.com/ - and the URL resolves to ezleadcapture.com, an MLM marketing site, which claims:

Generate The Absolute Highest Quality Prospects On Earth For  YOUR Business With Your Own Customizable Lead Capture Pages

This shows exactly what I'm saying. There are undoubtedly some conmen in this forum right now trying to figure out if anyone here is ready to buy their quack cure.
It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness. - Chinese proverb

aether22

Quote from: wizardofmars on August 11, 2008, 08:39:43 PM
Anecdotal evidence doesn't cut it. If you rely solely on anecdotal evidence and reject the scientific method, you may as well be in the Middle Ages.
Very wrong.

Of course anecdotal evidence can't always be trusted, but neither can many studies! (and many conventionally accepted things turn out not to work afterall)

You must use reasoning rather than ruling out an entire branch of evidence. (not that there is lack of scientific proof of 'alternative' medicine curing cancer)

It depends on the actual details, and requires actual thinking, but even a single anecdotal claim if genuine (not a lie or insanity) can constitute very very strong evidence (proof).
It depends on the odds of that thing otherwise occurring, when there is no chance of something occurring at random then a single genuine anecdotal claim is sufficient.




?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

jiivaneshvar

it's a pity for those who are suffering  cancer are the helpless prey of scammers. And imagine, there's only one life to spare, and too many reason to live. 

aether22

Quote from: jiivaneshvar on August 12, 2008, 11:15:56 PM
it's a pity for those who are suffering  cancer are the helpless prey of scammers. And imagine, there's only one life to spare, and too many reason to live. 

Yes, it's horrible, of course doctors mostly know not to fall for these scammers, most have said they would not do chemo is they or a loved one had cancer.
And US presidents and FDA, AMA, ACA executives have also known this and instead gone for genuine cures such as the highly effective cesium chloride.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes