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[professor]

Hi professor,

I haven't had a chance yet to put the circuits into EWB but even when I do I doubt I'll get all the answers I want because simulation is one thing, and plugging this circuit to the body and let it run is another.

You are right, I do not know the whole story about Dr. Stiffler, but what I said was based on the information I had available to me. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong about any claims, the way we interact with each other is very important to me, as you can see. Because we lack understanding and are quick to judge each other, we end up in arguments and fights.

Until we learn to truly live and work together, we'll get nowhere...

How true...... I guess your diplomatic skills surpass mine.Although I have no evidence that you were as critical with Stiffler as you had been with me.
I read the circuit description which I had not done before and all became clear.
Had they shown the plug  with the probes attached I would have had another clue that the third contact was not used  in the open  mode and only in the closed mode being just cosmetics (operating the  LED)
I agree that there is no substitute to actually building and scoping both Circuits to get a true sense of Voltages and wave shapes.
Should the two differ from each other one still doesn't know which circuit is the better of the two.
I suppose one needs to rely on the Experts that actually have proven the circuit in the field on specimens.
If this circuit was designed ,tested and approved  by Robert Beck that should be good enough for me.
To fall back on my previous comment of the danger of blood electrification I found the Article from Beck himself it was in the  August September 1998 Nexus Magazine.
I have the pdf file which I can not attach,  it says :quote:  "blood electrification can cause electroporation which makes cell membranes previous to small of normal harmless chemicals in the Plasma. The effect is the same as overdosing  which may be lethal"
Google electroporation you will find your answer.

professor

[amigo]

Hi professor,

I tried to put the original relay circuit into EWB but I keep getting an error on the relay part for some reason. I can't be bothered to troubleshoot it, as you said yourself, probably easier to just build the circuits and scope them.

Though that will only tell us the electrical operating parameters outside the body. We still can't measure anything inside the blood stream, and I'd love to be able to monitor the blood stream at and around the point where the electrodes are.

I am aware of electroporation as well as I have that Nexus article. That is why Beck had developed his "protocol" around it to avoid lethal situations (for example no garlic is to be eaten or due to electroporation it would penetrate the blood/brain barrier...)

What I'm not clear about is the original vs. improved schematic. In the original one the electrode connector is a two pin, while in the improved it's a three pin. Where does the extra pin go to and which ones actually connect to the electrodes?

The original circuit was just reversing the 27v supply between the electrodes using the relay, the improved schematic being bi-phasic we are looking at a differential in the electrodes that actually does the excitation in the blood, no?

[professor]

Hi professor,

I tried to put the original relay circuit into EWB but I keep getting an error on the relay part for some reason. I can't be bothered to troubleshoot it, as you said yourself, probably easier to just build the circuits and scope them.

Though that will only tell us the electrical operating parameters outside the body. We still can't measure anything inside the blood stream, and I'd love to be able to monitor the blood stream at and around the point where the electrodes are.

I am aware of electroporation as well as I have that Nexus article. That is why Beck had developed his "protocol" around it to avoid lethal situations (for example no garlic is to be eaten or due to electroporation it would penetrate the blood/brain barrier...)

What I'm not clear about is the original vs. improved schematic. In the original one the electrode connector is a two pin, while in the improved it's a three pin. Where does the extra pin go to and which ones actually connect to the electrodes?

The original circuit was just reversing the 27v supply between the electrodes using the relay, the improved schematic being bi-phasic we are looking at a differential in the electrodes that actually does the excitation in the blood, no?

Hi Amigo,
That same 3 Pole  is what had thrown me at first too.
Sometimes you do not see the trees because of the Forest.
But after reading the Circuit description it became clear to me that this pin was not used once you plug in the Male plug it opens up that line without connecting it to the Probes.
The output of the LM358 toggles if LM358A is positive LM358B is negative and so on.
The rest is cosmetics just to blink an LED and the Zeners to indicate when the Batteries are low.
Still like to see a Buffer between the output of the Opamp and the probes small NPN and PNP Transistor perhaps.

[Bob Smith]

Hi Guys,
I put together the simple zapper at this link a couple of times, but I couldn't seem to get a square wave - all I got was a sawtooth wave:
http://www.zapperplans.com/plans.html
Any suggestions? 
B

[amigo]

Hi Amigo,
That same 3 Pole  is what had thrown me at first too.
Sometimes you do not see the trees because of the Forest.
But after reading the Circuit description it became clear to me that this pin was not used once you plug in the Male plug it opens up that line without connecting it to the Probes.
The output of the LM358 toggles if LM358A is positive LM358B is negative and so on.
The rest is cosmetics just to blink an LED and the Zeners to indicate when the Batteries are low.
Still like to see a Buffer between the output of the Opamp and the probes small NPN and PNP Transistor perhaps.

Hi professor,

What forest? Trees? Where? All I see around me is a concrete jungle, condos going up faster than mushrooms after the rain.

So basically we only use pin 1 and 3 on the connector as described in the schematic, each leading to an electrode?

What would this transistor buffer do though? Wouldn't Beck put one there himself?

I have this vague recollection of reading something about necessity to have high impedance going to the skin/electrodes and that using tubes would be a preferred way to using transistors or modern IC, as tubes provide this kind of output. Beats me as tubes were well before my time...