Self Rising Weight (MT 27)

[Charlie_V]

When I was a kid, I wanted to buy a tiny plastic Christmas tree.  I didn't have the 20 dollars it took to buy it.  I was explaining this to my mother when a little old couple came up and gave us 20 dollars.  My mother hesitantly took the money, looked at me, then turned to thank them and they were gone (they were standing to my right as we sat at a table).  By their looks they were in their 80-90's.  80 year old people do not disappear in thin air.  The closest exit was about 30 feet away in front of me, even in my best physical endurance I could not sprint out that door in less than 2 seconds - and I'm 27!  We asked anyone else in the restaurant if they had seen an old couple... we were the only ones there besides the waitresses.

Conclusion, ghosts had just materialized and gave us 20 dollars....

there might be magic in the air and ground, but you sure in hell are not gonna tap in to it with strings and levers.

Ghosts had just materialized and gave us 20 dollars.

[Onevoice]

Sorry to butt in gents,

Don't be too hasty to dismiss multiple lever assemblies. The real issue is whether energy was gained by even a partial cycle. When the wheel is allowed to start at its highest energy state, it is translating a small amount of gravitational energy into rotational energy, and the assembly drops to its lowest energy state. If it requires at least as much energy to return it to its original state then the idea is a loser, and no energy was gained. If not, then multiple assemblies could cover ground for each other and a repetitive cycle could be formed. AKA what some believe Bessler found. Note: the descriptions of his wheels mention multiple noises per each cycle.

[utilitarian]

Sorry to butt in gents,

Don't be too hasty to dismiss multiple lever assemblies. The real issue is whether energy was gained by even a partial cycle.

My head is asploding.  No energy is gained by a gravity wheel ever.  Never ever ever.  At no point during its little turn.  Not on the fall, and not on the rise, not on the acceleration, not on the deceleration.  Potential energy is traded for kinetic, plus frictional losses in form of heat, sound, what have you.  Then the kinetic is traded for potential.  That is all, end of story.  You are dropping weights, and you are lifting those same weights.  How can anyone think you can possibly get ahead?

[rlortie]

 If you do not believe there is any hope for a gravity powered wheel then I  suggest you do a little research on this gentlman.  Read his treaties to Sir Isaac Newton regarding his eye witness report on Bessler's wheel.

http://research.leidenuniv.nl/index.php3?c=54
http://www.historyofscience.nl/author.cfm?RecordId=3

['s Gravesande was a generalist who made few original contributions to science, yet he was perhaps the most famous scientist in Europe. In 1721 and 1722, he made visits to Kassel to examine a perpetual motion machine constructed by a certain Orffyreus (and concluded that apparently perpetual motion machines were possible). 's Gravesande declined invitations from Peter the Great of Russia (1724) and Frederick II of Prussia (1740) to join their academies.]

[martinzurix]

reality is .. no magic in air !!!

in nature only two forces .. explosive and implosive. wheel have only potencial energy.

i believe some kind of aparatus will work ..  but like someone say reason is not in wheel but outside of wheel.. wheel is only visible part like propeler on helicopter ...

besler show only wheel but hided primo mover main part of aparatus . in nature nothing moves without reason.   all planets all winds all fluids move
because there are impulse from big bang and all goes in direction of explosive and implosive vortexsies .  look on galaxsy look on planets around stars...   every were is central energy force and outer vacum - energy gradient.   if you want use gravity you need something like artificial black hole on opozite side of wheel !!