Generating H and O separately

[armagdn03]

The deal is that oxygen and hydrogen weight different ammounts, but you need 2 hydrogen and one oxygen for complete combustion, (hence H20) but the molicules weigh different amounts, so people may say you need more of one than the other, but the molar quantities is what is important. Dissasociation of water gives the perfect quantities, what comes out, is what burns to go back in to water.

To use in an engine browns gas or HHO would have to be created on demand, you are correct on this matter.

The amount of oxygen needed for different parts of the engine cycle will change, considering you are burning a different amount of fuel per unit time, however your engines air intake is built for this and doesn't need to be worried about on the gasoline end of things, and since in HHO you will already have the oxygen you need, if you inject more of it, you still have the perfect quantity needed,

[22350]

The deal is that oxygen and hydrogen weight different ammounts, but you need 2 hydrogen and one oxygen for complete combustion, (hence H20) but the molicules weigh different amounts, so people may say you need more of one than the other, but the molar quantities is what is important. Dissasociation of water gives the perfect quantities, what comes out, is what burns to go back in to water.

To use in an engine browns gas or HHO would have to be created on demand, you are correct on this matter.

The amount of oxygen needed for different parts of the engine cycle will change, considering you are burning a different amount of fuel per unit time, however your engines air intake is built for this and doesn't need to be worried about on the gasoline end of things, and since in HHO you will already have the oxygen you need, if you inject more of it, you still have the perfect quantity needed,

So the required situation is having an HHO generator, that can keep up with the maximum demand of a propane carburettor / injector.

The problem is what to do with that production when it overcomes the required amount of gas.  You can't just keep it in the cell, because it is combustible.

Also some sort of production monitoring system has to be very accurate, as there is no buffer chamber to supply the intake.

Also, if you are mixing this perfect burning material, aren't you adding more oxygen from the air at the intake?  how is this different than mixing all of the oxygen through the intake?

Now going back to suppling only hydrogen. Won't the air in the intake which is supplemented by O2 coming from the generator cell, combine with the supply of hydrogen metered by the carburettor?  Ok, there might be some extra molecules left over, but it seems to be working in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1LHNojGZuo&feature=related
YouTube - FIAT 500 running on hydrogen

Now he is not working from a generating cell, he has his hydrogen in a bottle, but it is running. So assuming he is not playing a game, we know the hydrogen is a working solution to run the engine, baring any heating issues.

[armagdn03]

If there is only hydrogen supplied, you need to supply the oxygen separately through the air intake. If there is HHO no additional oxygen need be there, however you may want extra gas anyway simply to expand in the cylinder, so air intake is still good, just wont burn. Also, water mist can be used to expand, I have seen this solution done in a modified 4 stroke which became a 5 stroke with the addition of a water misting stroke for extra expansion.

[22350]

If there is only hydrogen supplied, you need to supply the oxygen separately through the air intake. If there is HHO no additional oxygen need be there, however you may want extra gas anyway simply to expand in the cylinder, so air intake is still good, just wont burn. Also, water mist can be used to expand, I have seen this solution done in a modified 4 stroke which became a 5 stroke with the addition of a water misting stroke for extra expansion.

Yes,  I was looking at the water mist idea, although it adds a huge engineering component to things.

I understand what you are saying about the HHO.  The problem I see is standardizing the production.  If production is just on demand, it will never match up with the specific needs of an engine, unless you are using the production to control the throttle.  Also, you can't bleed off or store excess gas, because it is flammable.  It might work for a generator, but not anything that is going to require metered delivery

A buffer, or storage cell, will allow some sort of generating control, based on the pressure in that cell.  The oxygen component can be dumped into the intake track right in front of the carb / injector, without any concern as to where it goes.  There would be some inconsistency with the oxygen component vs. hydrogen, but it seems like that would be minimal, due to the fact that the engine is going to use almost every bit of gas produced by a generator anyway.

hmmmm...

[Creativity]

cases of running an ICE*:

a) no air only HHO=> perfect balance
b) air + HHO only=> excess oxygen .some oxygen can be dumped from HHO to allow for more power to be produced.
c)  air + normal amount of fuel+ HHO=>HHO carries its own oxygen but there is not enough oxygen for fuel.HHO displaces oxygen from the air.
d)  air + normal amount of fuel+ H2 => fuel competes with H2 for oxygen tu burn,also less oxygen is coming to the engine( than normally),because of the gaseous form of H2 displacing air.
e)  air + lowered fuel amount+ H2=>OK.lower power because of substitution of fuel by gaseous h2
d)  air + lowered fuel amount+ HHO=>OK.lower power because of substitution of fuel by gaseous HHO



*substantial amount of HHO must be supplied to make any differece.Accounted for HHO,H2 in gaseous form.