How Many Of You......

[ramset]

 U did somebody sneeze  OH bullshit  I see   did you know that the way car manufacturers decreased emisions  was
A     returning the unburnt fuel  via an air pump into the EXHAUST to try and burn it some more
B    put in catalytic converters in the exhaust to burn even more wasted fuel
carbon is a BIG molecule doesn't burn fast enough   HHO propagates at 8500 feet per second helps carbon BIG time to get more bang for the buck  THE newest designs for HHO are amazing production   with small current   you need to do more home work    Chet

[utilitarian]

That's cobblers... If you put super-unleaded into a car instead of regular-unleaded, you get a performance and mileage improvement. So how can adding extra energy from HHO cause less MPG ?. The only thing that would cause a decrease in MPG, is if the engine increases the fuel mixture, due to the ECU thinking that the fuel is too lean. That's why some sort of shunt is needed to fool the oxygen sensor.

Higher octane gasoline does not improve mileage, but merely reduces engine knocking. 

Aside from that, in principle, adding hydrogen to the engine will improve gas mileage.  So if you want to get more mileage out of your car, attach a tank with compressed hydrogen and voila.  The trouble comes when you are trying to both drive the car and make HHO with the same supply of gasoline.

[Bulbz]

Higher octane gasoline does not improve mileage, but merely reduces engine knocking. 

Aside from that, in principle, adding hydrogen to the engine will improve gas mileage.  So if you want to get more mileage out of your car, attach a tank with compressed hydrogen and voila.  The trouble comes when you are trying to both drive the car and make HHO with the same supply of gasoline.

I have definately noticed that when I use the more expensive fuel, the tank does seem to lasts longer. It's a simple fact... The more powerful the fuel, the more work you get from it !.

[ramset]

 U you need to study current events  Chet

[mbramble]

So, as of this entry, 180 people have viewed this thread and two have responded that they are using one of the devices..... 

This is my problem.  I want to believe (just like Mulder ).  I have seen all the sites selling plans and giving wonderful reports on increases in gas mileage.  If they are so wonderful, why isn't "anyone" (obviously there are two here) using them??  If all the claims are blown all out of proportion and you get -- say -- a 10% increase in MPG on average from many, many people using them - that would be a huge decrease in the amount of gasoline required to power automobiles, scooters, my generator (after a hurricane!), etc.  If it's a 50% increase as noted in this thread and many of the 'water-for-fuel' (actually as a supplement to the fuel) sites claim, that would be massive for a country importing oil.

Other things I run across as I go to these web sites selling the plans -- they don't have any evidence that these things work.  Why aren't these guys building units and selling them??  If I could build a unit for $50--$300 (depending on the web site you are viewing) that would provide up to 50% increase in MPG, I could sell them all day long for double-triple what it costs to make them.  Everyone in my family would have one, all my friends would want one and I could open up a shop to make/install them.  Now, that's not what I'm after but why isn't common practice??  Also, many of the folks on those web sites have pretty shady pasts.   And then, at least two of the sites I hit today, are run by conspiracy nuts.  But, they don't mention that they have actually built a unit, only that they sells plans for them (and many other 'fantastic' devices)....

Why hasn't everyone on this forum built and installed one in their own cars??  It makes no sense to me to KNOW that this works (as many folks here claim) and to still be paying for the same amount of gas that everyone else does in a car like yours.  Even if you think you can come up with a better design, you'd have one of the current ones in your car while you come up with the 'perfect' unit.  Please don't tell me that it's because the guys in black suits will whisk you away in the middle of the night.  Not to be rude -- that's not my purpose for visiting this we site or making this post -- but the phrase 'put your money where your mouth is' comes to mind.

As I said, I really want to believe that these things work.  And I would have no problem spending the money for the plans and for the materials to build one if I felt even a small tingle down my spine telling me that they do as advertised.  That's the reason for this post.  I'm -- personally -- not interested in all the scientific facts that tell me why it does because, frankly, I can find just as many folks with scientific facts who say that it can't.  I just want to know who else is using one of these units and how it is performing for you.

Thanks,
Mike