HHO as the only fuel (Brown's Gas) creates Vaccum

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Just to show some "thinking progress" to the ultra newbies.

I am working on an animation.
I am using an old version of (7) of Paint Shop Pro as I have had it for many years.
I use layers to put each main component on, and then can turn off all the irrelevant layers.
Layers is great for being able to move images without interfering with other images.
I then use the accompanying Animation Workshop to create an animated gif using  still image jpgs from the original PSP format file.
Here is a 4 image animation of the basic piston rotation.

Later animation images to allow comparison will include...
1. standard 4 stroke firing with valves timings
2. modified 4 stroke to 2 stroke firing with valves timings mods for implosion vacuum firing.

Incidentally I also have Ulead 11, Video Studio, which will import gifs straight into it, to save as mpg or others like wvm formats to upload to YouTube.

I have a channel I am working on for this called UnityEnergy, which is very new, but will have updates when I am done.

cheers

ZenArrow

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Good observation!

I noticed it during a flashback from a torch to the bubbler which was not full enough.

It sucked in the sides in like puckered cheeks and the torch wouldn't let equalization happen fast enough.

I know H2 burns faster than gasoline.

Where would the optimal firing timing be? TDC?

AFTER TDC to deal with the resulting vacuum?

Good topic!

[zenarrow]

Good observation!

I noticed it during a flashback from a torch to the bubbler which was not full enough.

It sucked in the sides in like puckered cheeks and the torch wouldn't let equalization happen fast enough.

I know H2 burns faster than gasoline.

Where would the optimal firing timing be? TDC?

AFTER TDC to deal with the resulting vacuum?

Good topic!

I think that BDC would be best for firing.
1. Intake Valve open at TDC
2. Piston sucks on downward stroke to bring the in the intake
3. Intake Valve closes prior to BDC
4. Fire at BDC
5. Resultant implosion sucks the piston back toward TDC
6. Open exhaust valve prior to TDC by several degrees to get rid of the WATER
7. Close exhaust at TDC. (repeat cycle)

Notes...
A. This would mean a 4 stroke modified to 2 stroke by cam timing mods
B. Cam lobes would probably need modification to be open for longer.
C. The usual engine has higher expanded gas volumes, this is the opposite, so exhaust if done correctly will be a few ml of water, which could be further aided by creating a further vacuum on the exhaust manifold with a pump, so as soon as the exhaust valve is opened it will be sucking out into this manifold.

I am trying to do this without too much modification of an existing 4 stroke internal combustion engine.
But all is relative. It does require, major timing changes, to electrical timing and cams. So if you have an old engine lying around with DOHC, you can fiddle with it.

As to whether 2 stroke or 4 stroke is the ideal end product, I think we would be wasting energy resistance with a 4. But a STANDARD 2 stroke petroleum (gasoline) engine would not work that I have thought about, thinking of motorcycles, as they use piston timing to open up ports by the piston itself. Perhaps a diesel two stroke will work, as they have the valves like 4 strokes, but I have not had anything to do with diesels, I will leave that to others. My idea here is to use a simple 4 stroke engine you may have laying around to more easily do these modifications for the backyard mechanical guy who has some electrical knowledge.

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I think that BDC would be best for firing.
1. Intake Valve open at TDC
2. Piston sucks on downward stroke to bring the in the intake
3. Intake Valve closes prior to BDC
4. Fire at BDC
5. Resultant implosion sucks the piston back toward TDC
6. Open exhaust valve prior to TDC by several degrees to get rid of the WATER
7. Close exhaust at TDC. (repeat cycle)

Notes...
A. This would mean a 4 stroke modified to 2 stroke by cam timing mods
B. Cam lobes would probably need modification to be open for longer.
C. The usual engine has higher expanded gas volumes, this is the opposite, so exhaust if done correctly will be a few ml of water, which could be further aided by creating a further vacuum on the exhaust manifold with a pump, so as soon as the exhaust valve is opened it will be sucking out into this manifold.

I am trying to do this without too much modification of an existing 4 stroke internal combustion engine.
But all is relative. It does require, major timing changes, to electrical timing and cams. So if you have an old engine lying around with DOHC, you can fiddle with it.

As to whether 2 stroke or 4 stroke is the ideal end product, I think we would be wasting energy resistance with a 4. But a STANDARD 2 stroke petroleum (gasoline) engine would not work that I have thought about, thinking of motorcycles, as they use piston timing to open up ports by the piston itself. Perhaps a diesel two stroke will work, as they have the valves like 4 strokes, but I have not had anything to do with diesels, I will leave that to others. My idea here is to use a simple 4 stroke engine you may have laying around to more easily do these modifications for the backyard mechanical guy who has some electrical knowledge.

I'm not sure the engine can stand that type of hammering.

What I mean is, the explosion does have a energy output, even if not compressed.

It's just going to expend itself trying to push the crankshaft down below its lowest point?
It might be enough force to defeat the layer of oil that is the bearing and allowing surfaces to touch and wear.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but where is the explosion potential being used?

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I'm not sure the engine can stand that type of hammering.

What I mean is, the explosion does have a energy output, even if not compressed.

It's just going to expend itself trying to push the crankshaft down below its lowest point?
It might be enough force to defeat the layer of oil that is the bearing and allowing surfaces to touch and wear.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but where is the explosion potential being used?

Having not actually experimented with these things, I am only using theory from things I have read.
As far as I have read, the ignition of HHO (Brown's Gas) in a sealed cylinder, does not explode. It implodes. So it creates a vacuum. The gas becomes water. The opposite of creating steam in principle, from what I understand. What happens to the flames etc I am not sure either. I was under the impression Dr Brown did have an engine running from it.

So it would in theory run cool by it's own conversion. It should run quietly as it is not exploding.

Perhaps an idea to test it is to create a sealed container with a spark plug going into it. Kinda like the bubbler of pvc, but sealed. However it must keep the zeal the whole time or else other air coming in might make it explode if it ruptures from the vacuum. Maybe just a good old ORCHY bottle dude
Something which will take the flex and not rupture. Put spark plug in the cap and tap it on. Ignite it and see what happens and report back your findings. Maybe the standard 2 litre milk container will do nicely, it's got lots of flex. DO BE CAREFUL! Please do not hold me responsible for any lapses in judgement. Make sure no air gets in their till after it has ignited and sat there for a little while, just to be sure.

Peace, be well, and for God's sake, think ahead.