HHO as the only fuel (Brown's Gas) creates Vaccum

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Alot of this topics discussion is over my head but I do know the workings of a standard pistion engine. Seems it has too many difficulties to overcome. Just food for though, has anyone tried to use a rotary engine instead? It has no pistons or cams to deal with. Timing is handled with port sizing. It is a very small displacement engine and very smooth operating.

I am not sure on the wankle engine.

There are other things about this HHO gas, being used for many things recently.
Some people are going off the grid, running their generators on it.
The vacuum implosion idea seems to be an older idea.
I have seen many saying that they can run it normally with only mixture modifications.

One guy has a plasma cutter, runs a generator on it, runs a gas heater on it, runs his kitchen stove on it, and hs gone off the grid for electricity, making it all with Brown's gas. Other things I have seen, this is all since starting this thread, say that it must be stored in an opaque container, as clear in the sunlight makes it unstable, converting it into diatomic instead of the monatomic compound of HHO. HHO as Brown's gas as ONE molecule is very stable apparently and can be stored.

There is also another device I came across which has had the secret guys come around and intimidate him. Which only led him to KNOW that it works when he went to replicate another guys work. I am fairly sure the website said he had stuff on here about it. In fact going public was the way they want this to be patent free given to mankind.

See the following names, the original cell design has tubes within tubes, harmonically tuned by tone, to bring in a resonance effect more so than plates of the HHO cells which people are putting in their cars. See the Ravi Stanley Meyer Replication water fuel cell. (I would give links to websites, but that would make the secret intimidators job too easy for them, with them using this forum as a guide to shutdown people's work)

They were even using this for deep sea diving, which didnt have the side effects of the bends and coming up slow to avoid them.

Others are saying they are drinking water which has had this gas pass through it, and getting the energy like from a cup of coffee without the side effects.

Since H2O is part of our diet (water) it might be no so surprising that it regenerates healing better. All from recent research online.

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Very very interesting.
I am optomistic that balance of mixtures, valve intake time, and electrical timing, along with the combination of electronics feedback tuning will have a fine tuning effect.
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So back to your experiments, did the mixture expand then implode? or did it just implode? And was it perfectly sealed from any other air?

Expand and contract. I've blown up bubblers by doing it too.

The entire idea behind a bubbler is to capture any flashback so it will not destroy the HHO generation vessel. It's has a tube from the generation vessel entering from the top side area and continuing to the bottom of the bubbler. It's filled at least 3/4 of the way with water to prevent a "string" of bubbles from being able to support ignition PAST the water so the flashback (if any) does not go past that point and ignite the generation chamber. Then the gas bubbling up through the water goes to where you want to use it.

You need to go to YouTube and search for "HHO bubbler (or flashback)" and see the work that's being done in this area. It will give you a more complete understanding of HHO properties.

It is airtight to contain the HHO on it's way to its destination where it is usually used for it's explosive force.

This is why when I had my tiny aperture torch i was able to capture the vacuum effect in the bubbler.

For the stroke being too long, as you brought up, perhaps, opening valves for short times, to give only a minor amount in the cyclinder. Since this is more volatile in its power than petroleum, perhaps it doesnt need as much as would be mixed through the carbie, and the duration length of the intake valves cycle?

It's a bit of a balance, effect, but so is the modern carbie.

At higher RPM the storke cycle is probably fast enough to benefit from vacuum, but at low RPM the stroke is taking a lot longer and at that point robbing you of 1/2 the motive force at least IMHO.

I suggest the YouTube research as it will show you how "explosive" this idea has become lately.

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Alot of this topics discussion is over my head but I do know the workings of a standard pistion engine. Seems it has too many difficulties to overcome. Just food for though, has anyone tried to use a rotary engine instead? It has no pistons or cams to deal with. Timing is handled with port sizing. It is a very small displacement engine and very smooth operating.

It's a good thought and more research has to be done in this area!

Keep thinking!

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Some other thoughts...

I'm not sure the engine can stand that type of hammering.

What I mean is, the explosion does have a energy output, even if not compressed.

It's just going to expend itself trying to push the crankshaft down below its lowest point?
It might be enough force to defeat the layer of oil that is the bearing and allowing surfaces to touch and wear.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but where is the explosion potential being used?

I have seen other stuff online since, showing that HHO can be in several forms as monoatomic or diatomic, with monoatomic being the Browns Gas, which still keeps the full ratio of HHO, and diatomic being split into a more unstable mixture instead of the compount. It was stated taht in a clear bottle stored Monoatomic became Diatomic, and is the unstable version prone to explosion.

Now back to the Engine. It seems from a very poor sound recording of Dr Brown, and other research that the internal combustion engine can be run directly on Brown's Gas HHO monoatomic.

This leaves two factors mentioned previous, to be considered. The expansion and the implosion of the gases in the cylinder chamber.
To have the piston timing firing when the piston is on the way from TDC to BDC, so that it fires very near prior to BDC, so that the timing of the "implosion" is at or closely after BDC. Of course with timing adjustments and electronics for speed variation advancing these days, it is possible to tune it for best effect. So that it takes advantage of both the properties. Assuming that it does have an expansion/explosion effect when ignited prior to the implosion effect. From what I saw in a video by an expert who has written a few books on Brown's Gas (which may vary slightly to HHO if the HHO is diatomic and not monoatomic), then from that he does not mention the expansion, only the implosion. A ratio of 1800 into 1, kind of the opposite of steam or the opposite of the expansion process.

So it is very possible there is a flame reaction going into implosion as the gases retract into the water molecule. Which was my original understanding. I really need to do my own lab experimentation research on this. He also talks of a third state of this gas, which he speculates is ionized, and is used by others to run cars on water.

Also...
There is another guy I saw in USA making a cell system to run on 32 plates in series with 120VAC supplied, with diodes to pulse it. He used this to make a plasma torch for cutting and welding. I also saw in his comments, saying he runs his car and a generator and gas heater all on this save HHO. So does no longer pay for electricity and is off the grid by "water power".
heres his video channel http://www.metacafe.com/channels/cheaphardwarez/

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Expand and contract. I've blown up bubblers by doing it too.

The bubbler however is not sealed air tight is it?
Where as the cyclinder is with all the valves closed.
This is a major principle see my other post where expansion is not mentioned for the monatomic version of HHO not the diatomic version.
see play list of 3 videos with more info on it at...
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A8E30B5EB87D3A27

This sealed unit is a very IMPORTANT difference. Since the bubbler has 2 openings. A piston cylinder is completely sealed.