URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[AbbaRue]

Basically what we have here is a common strobe light circuit,
but in place of the trigger coil we use an  ignition coil,
and in place of the Xenon strobe tube we use a spark gap with water in it. 
We just upped the output of a strobe light circuit. 
In fact some people have tried using a strobe light and just replacing the Xenon Tube with a spark plug.
How can it get any easyer then that to explain. 
In fact I would have to say that this is one of the easiest devices on this forum to build.

Some people had difficulty with the inverter getting fried by back emf,
so we added diodes to block the HV from getting into the inverter.
We also added a lightbulb in series to act as a current limiter.
I mentioned keeping the Low voltage out of the High voltage end of the coil
by using another spark gap or diode in series with the HV positive terminal.
We have moved step by step into producing a High Output Strobe circuit.
Now we need to find the ideal Capacitance to produce the most efficient current pulse.
And we need to find the best way of introducing the water to the spark gap,
this might mean developing a new type of spark gap which is different from a standard spark plug. 
The purpose for using an inverter is to run this device from a 12Volt source,
but the inverter can be replaced by a good DC circuit connected to the mains 120V or 240V.
I would highly recommend using an isolation transformer when using the mains.
Then you can't get a 120V or 240V shock from just touching one wire, you have to touch 2 wires.
One old word of wisdom in working with dangerous voltages is:
"Use one hand at a time so you don't place your body into the circuit."

All this is moving along quite well, and is very easy to follow.
I don't see how it could be made more simple. 

[plasmastudent77]

Hi all,

I actually think the Papp engine is a water engine heavily disguised.

Interestingly, they use 4 spark plugs to create a lot of contact with what I think is the water vapour ( and not inert gas ).

My 2 cents worth.

[dopey]

@dopey
One thing that really puzzles me is your constant question as how to replicate this device.
Are you blind?  Almost every page of this post has a schematic diagram of this device. 
How can you expect anyone on this thread to take you seriously,
while you keep asking such a ridiculous question.
Pick a number from 1 to 29 and then go to that page and build a copy of the circuit on that page. 

Hilarious!  Why are there 29 pages of different circuits if it's so straightforward?  "My constant questions"?  Where have I once asked anything about how to build the test hardware?

You entirely misunderstand me.  I have longsince relegated the testbed hardware to the status of a trivial black box.  As you say, building it would be no problem whatsoever.  Why there are 29 pages of discussion and schematics on that subject says a lot for the confusion level of the members here...not mine!

My question has always been not how to build it but why build it?  To replicate the test hardware is not the same as replicating the experiment nor is it the same as replicating the measured results of same.  My problem is that people rush like fools to replicate every suggested bit of hardware suggested on this whole forum with never a thought or discussion or question as to why they are doing it...what exactly the experimental replication results might be or what exactly is the point of it all?

On a more careful reading of the published paper, I have to qualify the stricken statement (see my last post's edits...repeated here) in a very important way that is basic to the whole question here.  It does not claim that the energy released from the water is greater than the energy required to make the plasma.  What it claims is that the total energy measured is greater when the water is present.  So the claim is not that there is any kind of overunity being shown, but rather that some tiny amount of energy appears to be added by the addition of the water into the plasma.  There is a huge yet subtle distinction there!

So, to make an analagous example, if I build an ICE with this technology, and let us say that the thermal energy released by a single "dry spark" (no fuel of any kind...gasoline or water or wahatever) in my machine is equivalent to 1 joule, let us say, then we obviously would not expect that amount of energy to expand the air in the cylinder with enough force to move the piston significantly.  In other words, you would not expect the energy just coming from the plasma arc on a normal car engine, by itself, to run the engine, would you?

Now, say that we had discovered this water thing causes the same 1 joule spark of energy (when dry) to mysteriously release 2 joules or even 5 or 10 joules of energy.  This is far more generous than anything suggested by the published paper or the original video of this thread.  Do you think the engine would run now?  Hell no, it wouldn't.

This whole thread seems to be based on a completely false hope that if water could be used to magnify the heating energy released by an electrical spark by a relatively small factor (far less than an order of magnitude), that one could skip the gasoline altogether.  Do you think that your car's engine would run on nothing but air if you put in a ten-fold ignition system?  Ten spark plugs per cylinder, each driven with the same energy that the single one there now has?  Or one spark plug per piston being hit with ten times the electrical energy?  Obviously not!

The foolish conclusions being leapt to in this thread and the wasted enthusiasm and efforts those wrong and unbased conclusions are leading to...all of it is the result of this pig-headed refusal to intelligently discuss the subject in any reasonable manner prior to diving headlong into utterly useless 'replications' of hardware.  It is a hobby where the enjoyment seems to be derived from an insistence on group delusion.

[dopey]

P.S.  My car runs on piss and vinegar.  I built it myself in 1966. 

I forgot to mention that I have had my esophagus, stomach, liver and kidneys removed and I drink nothing but Everclear, 151 Rum and aircraft-grade gasoline.  The vinegar is added just to kill the flavor.

[AbbaRue]

@Dopey
Sorry for misunderstanding you, I withdraw my former statement.

As to why there are 29 pages of schematics:
As this thread progresses we work out various bugs, and we post our new findings.
That's not confusion that's scientific progression.
Like Thomas Edison trying different filament materials until he found the one that worked.
We try different setups until we get the one that works the best.