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URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

Started by gotoluc, June 26, 2008, 06:01:38 PM

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allcanadian

@Shiver
You made some good points but the expansion ratio has already been proven. One member posted a video of a small two stroke engine which when "fired" produced a strong downward stroke.This is concrete proof a force has been developed but gives little insight into the strength of the force over time--- power to drive a load. There is another force that should also be considered as well, that is the force produced by a standing wave. We have this preoccupation with expansion and pressure as the only motive force available to us but there are other alternatives. If in fact the disruptive arc discharge produces a shock wave then this wave will strike the piston imparting a force on it and reflect back to the cylinder head and again reflect back towards the piston, the cylinder forming a resonant chamber. This resonant wave in itself could be the cause for expansion as the media is in oscillation, we know some humidifiers use sonic waves to expand water into water vapor thus producing an expanded media and these devices use very little power. I do not believe we should discount the possibility that a shock wave could produce a standing wave having the proper qualities to set the media into oscillation.
There is also the issue of "rate of change", if we produce an extreme change in the confined space of the spark gap and this change occurs over a very small period of time then we can say the single impulse can be "resonant" with any media having the same wave period. We have always assumed we require an alternating force to produce oscillations in the media---resonant oscillations, but this resonance is based on the frequency or rate of change. What has not been considered is the fact that a single discharge of large magnitude which has a rate of change or impulsive frequency in resonance with a media "IS" resonant with the media irregardless of whether the impulses continue or not. In this case the "effects" we are producing are based on the magnitude of the impulse but much more important is the rate of change or impulse duration. It's funny so many people have little idea why Tesla wanted to quench his spark gaps, why he spent so much time and effort to reduce the discharge duration, why the radiant effect only occured in the "instant" potential was applied or disrrupted. There is a very simple truth I have come to understand 1)Potential determines the extent of interaction with the media 2) The rate of change determines the qualities of the interaction with the media---- fundamentally this is all we need to understand.
Best Regards
AC
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Grumpy

Shockwave = yes

Everything else = no

The volume of the cylinder is constantly changing and you are also shock exciting every round.

On the water ignition subject - I've never heard of anyone burning HHO having water in the oil of the valve covers.
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forest

What about explosive sound generated from spark gap ? Does it occurs also without water across sparkplug electrodes ?

allcanadian

@forest
QuoteWhat about explosive sound generated from spark gap ? Does it occurs also without water across sparkplug electrodes ?
Yes, it does ;D In fact the same sound (very loud crack) occurs when you simply short a charged capacitor with a screwdriver. The only change in the qualities of the discharge in the water arc circuit is that the discharge occurs across a gap due to the high voltage creating a conducting path. In this case we can say the gap itself has changed the qualities of the discharge as the discharge is travelling through a different media. I have also found interesting effects when the spark gap is replaced with an NE2 to charge a resonant tank circuit, it seems this circuit has many useful applications.
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forest

Thank you very much. This quite prove my theory. Sound is a waste of energy, actually heat and sound is a conversion of Radiant energy into electromagnetic spectrum and mechanical pressure. Sound would indicate a conversion around sonic waves so I assume 1 - 20 khz frequency of discharge oscillation (sonic area)