URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[gotoluc]

My 2 cents.......I'm trying to find an old 2 stroke mower engine to try putting 4 spark plugs into a do it yourself 1/2 inch plate steel cylinder head, so I can deliver a lot more energy to the fuel.

I might even try a water/gas mix of 50/50 to see how things go. My thoughts are that more energy delivered to the water or water/gas mix might be enough to get it to fire. Worth a try. I keep coming back tot he Papp engine ( I know its a separate topic ) but they have BIG electrodes that protrude into the cylinder fromt he head to maximise contact with the fuel - my thinking is that it may require this level of redesign to deliver the required big boot up the ass to the fuel, to get it to ignite.

Hi plasmastudent77, good idea! you never know until you test. The Papp engine is not so separate from this topic as this one was started to parallel this topic: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5154.new

Keep up the good work.

Luc

[resonanceman]

Hi Sandy, are you saying we use the top of the piston as our ground Electrode? 

Even if that was not what you meant I'm going to test it and see what happens.

Let me know as well.

Thanks

Luc

Luc

Using   the piston  as   a cathode  was something I  thought about   when I first started   thinking about  how to  make a water car more practical

I  think that  using  the piston  as  cathode  has some serious  problems.
At first  glance it  looks  great ......... but as I see it  the problem is  oil.

Although   the  film  is   thin there is an oil  film  on the  rings and  sides of the  piston.
This  oil  will make the  piston    function  kind of like a capacitor .
The  voltage on the piston  will rise enough to arc through the oil .....then as it  discharges  it  will  leave  burnt oil  at the  discharge site
The  electrical  discharge  will probably  quickly  pit   the  cylinder  walls.

The   arcing  through  the oil could be  eliminated by  a   flexable  ground    line  like   a  spring  of some kind.      As I see  it the  piston  travel  is to far  for a spring to be practical .   Also   to carry  the  current the spring would  have to be  fairly  heavy

A flexible  ground  strap  like on  engine  blocks  would  flop  around  and  quickly  fall  apart leaving   lots of  copper  strands in the oil .


My  solution   is to  use  heavy copper  wires    formed into a grid   just  above TDC  so the arc  goes  through as much    of the  air compressed into the  cylinder as possible .     The  grid   would be  attached to  the  top  of the  cylinder      but  would   almost touch  the piston    at TDC       The  effect  would   be very  similar to   a giant  firestorm plug


gary

[gotoluc]

Luc

Using   the piston  as   a cathode  was something I  thought about   when I first started   thinking about  how to  make a water car more practical

I  think that  using  the piston  as  cathode  has some serious  problems.
At first  glance it  looks  great ......... but as I see it  the problem is  oil.

Although   the  film  is   thin there is an oil  film  on the  rings and  sides of the  piston.
This  oil  will make the  piston    function  kind of like a capacitor .
The  voltage on the piston  will rise enough to arc through the oil .....then as it  discharges  it  will  leave  burnt oil  at the  discharge site
The  electrical  discharge  will probably  quickly  pit   the  cylinder  walls.

The   arcing  through  the oil could be  eliminated by  a   flexable  ground    line  like   a  spring  of some kind.      As I see  it the  piston  travel  is to far  for a spring to be practical .   Also   to carry  the  current the spring would  have to be  fairly  heavy

A flexible  ground  strap  like on  engine  blocks  would  flop  around  and  quickly  fall  apart leaving   lots of  copper  strands in the oil .


My  solution   is to  use  heavy copper  wires    formed into a grid   just  above TDC  so the arc  goes  through as much    of the  air compressed into the  cylinder as possible .     The  grid   would be  attached to  the  top  of the  cylinder      but  would   almost touch  the piston    at TDC       The  effect  would   be very  similar to   a giant  firestorm plug


gary

Hi Gary, excellent information on the possible cylinder walls problem.

I think we need a new engine design for this idea. And if it runs mostly cold we could do many things that can't be done in a ICE.

Keep up the thoughts and thanks for sharing

Luc

[Dread]

I sent this Q to Aaron but he might be busy.

@ everyone.

Would this modification to the Aaron circuit, with X-box's 1/2 wave voltage doubler work?
I don't think I can send the increased voltage through the relay without problems but I can still get it to where it counts most.

Thanks
D.

[alan]

hi Luc

thanks for the follow-up - interesting info!

you see, what i'm thinking is: if the force is across the spark/plasma - not around it - then maybe we should be striking the spark/plasma between one electrode and the piston at (just past?) TDC- not just across the spark plug?

what do you think?

all the best
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

Great idea, maybe this should be tested in a car, without plasma.