URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[themuteprophet]

Thanks for the update, Luc.

I have seen the VexUs circuit and, while I am still somewhat confused on some of what its components are doing, I hope that reading more of these posts will give me some more insight into it.  I have also read of the firestorm plugs and am excited to hear of his great success with them.

It seems to me that most of the problems arising out of these various circuit designs are because, in general, the conditions in the cylinder are left uncontrolled. 

First is the purity of the water.  In speaking with them, I have come to understand that the Hathaway and Graneau experiments were most successful when used with distilled water.  While they seemed to have very little explanation as to why, I think that MasterPlaster's post on Meyer's work explains the reasoning behind it.  Whatever the fuel source is that is being used, it's application is highly susceptible to the conditions at the arc.  Most impurities act as electrolytes in the water, thereby drastically changing the voltage breakdown requirement for an arc channel to form and also changing the frequency at which the current is delivered to the medium.  Hathaway also discussed with me the same sort of effect occurring in air (with no fog added), the mechanics of which he claims to be entirely unable to understand.

Second is something that both the gmeast circuits and the s1r-tero circuit seem to take into account.  Of critical importance (after forming an arc channel) is the speed and amount of current delivered.  Circuits that attempt to incorporate large capacitors with high voltages are wasting quite a bit of power needlessly.  Low-voltage capacitors or another, step-down transformer from the source, coupled with the HV input at the gap achieves the same effect for a fraction of the cost.  As I mentioned here, the speed of the current's discharge at the gap is also critical and is directly proportional to the size of the explosion--this is why many engines seem to run much smoother at higher rpms.  It may be that, in the end, the functioning engine will idle much higher than their gasoline counterparts.

Third, the size of the explosion vs current size/speed appears to be exponential, not logarithmic as is standard in conventional engines.  That is, low current applications are going to heed essentially no results.  Unfortunately, too few experiments have been done with this factor in mind (determining the tipping point of effective explosions) to adequately determine some sort of relation between the conditions at the spark and the current delivered.  I can, however, state with some certainty that adding hundreds of amps is insufficient.  It is very likely that an engine based on water-arc explosions will require many kA to run.  It is therefore all the more important to divide the circuit into high current and high voltage.

There's more, but I'll wait for now to see if any of what I've said is useful.

-The Mute Prophet

[gotoluc]

Hi themuteprophet,

all what you share sounds good but the bottom line is someone has to build it to see the real world effects.

Until this gets done we will only be adding more pages to this topic.

Sorry to come down with this but I think we know that's how it's going to work out in the end.

Are you the builder or do you have funds to assist a builder?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[themuteprophet]

Nope and nope.

It is indeed amazing that simple progress cannot be funded.  I have also been unsucessful in obtaining funds to research.  Thanks, though.

-The Mute Prophet

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I am posting a post from the Energetic Forum posted at the Water Sparkplug topic by user: Spokane1

Spokane1 has tested the spark circuit using SPICE III and below are his 2 posts and also his attached Word documents of the reports.

Luc


Gentlemen,

Has anyone observed a very distinct RF Burst (greater than 200KHz) right after the discharge of this circuit? (Basic Gotoluc topology). It lasts for about 10 uS and is composed of a series of 300 Amp sawtooth discharges. It is frequency modulated and appears to be a relaxation oscillator type response.

This is a classical response that has been modeled using SPICE III. It is a most interesting wave form - but does it happen in actual field circuits of this type?

Spokane1

Dear Mr. Gotoluc,

Attached are three word documents that contain the simulated circuit and a few waveforms plus a short commentary. The SPICE III program outputs a Windows Meta File which only seems to work with Word.

I have completed 95% of an evaluation circuit to see if these RF bursts really exist. I suppose a lot of it is determined by the nature of the spark gap.

IF I get positive results I shall post some scope traces as well.

Spokane1

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

another test report from Spokane1 but this time he used the real circuit and lab equipment to test.

many thanks to Spokane1 for taking the time to do this great service and sharing the results.

Luc


Gentlemen,

It appears that a sawtooth RF burst does take place in the Basic Gotoluc circuit almost like the SPICE III simulator describes.

This is not an exhaustive study but a simple test to see if it was there. The gap is composed of tool steel with the negative (ground) electrode being sharpened. The effect is much greater when the gap is opened up to just short of were it will not arc. In this case the gap is 0.284". The storage cap is a 25 uF 600V oil-paper motor starter type. The power supply is voltage regulated at 300V. The battery operates the contactor to isolate the capacitor from the power supply during a pulse test. The capacitor shunt diode is a little overkill for this application (770 Amp) but I needed something that would handle 30 Amps. The HV diode is a 4-unit string of 8KV at 4 Amp microwave oven devices. The coil is a GM wasted spark model ($3.00 at the local junk yard). This coil has an isolated secondary which might be important because it allows for the polarity of the secondary to be reversed (See SPICE circuit on previous post).

The first scope trace shows the voltage across the gap as measured with a Tektronix 12KV probe. The probe is being driven past its linear range for the initial pulse but it does show the follow up burst wave form OK. The effect only shows voltage swings around 500V. This means that the arc will re-strike at a much lower voltage than the initial breakdown, which is around 15KV in this test, but way off the screen.

The second scope trace is a time expanded version of the first trace. Here we see the sawtooth nature of this process. Notice how the magnitude of the wave train remains relatively constant. The frequency of a single tooth during this portion of the burst is around 116 KHz. The actual frequency content would be higher than this due to its shape. This sample was taken from the last third of the burst where the frequency is slowing down anyway.

It will be interesting to see if this effect can be enhanced.

This observation might help those OU theories that require a HF source to explain any proposed non-classical process.

Spokane1