URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[supermuble]

I have an Exhaust Gas temperature gauge on my car, and a wide band air/fuel ratio monitor. So I can compare both, live, on the fly while I drive my car. I also built a computer system that can control my air fuel mixture.

Here is what happens:

At 13.5:1 air/fuel mixture with normal gasoline, you get maximum power.
At 12.5:1 air/fuel mixture power trails off a little bit since there is not enough oxygen available and the fuel does not burn completely, which means there is a small cooling of the charge (less expansion during the power stroke)
At 11:1 the car runs like a slug. You get very sluggish performance and EGT (exhaust gas temperature) goes down up to 300 degrees to about 1150 degrees F instead of (1350-1450)

Approaching 14.7:1 you get a more complete burn, and better fuel economy. This is the ratio that is REQUIRED for catalytic converters to function, otherwise there is either too much heat, or too much raw unburned fuel going into the catalytic converter and it can't possibly function at peak efficiency and you'll fail an emissions test. The oil companies and car companies are OBVIOUSLY trying to make as much money as possible, because gasoline is inherently flawed. Without a hydrogen catalyst (Water Fuel) you cannot run an engine in a lean burn mode (above 18:1) air/fuel.

My vehicle is emissions exempt, due to the local laws. So I can run my car LEANER than 14.7:1 to get better fuel economy. Beyond 14.7:1 air/fuel, you are putting more air into your motor than the fuel can possibly use. Believe it or not, gasoline will not burn LEAN. The engine design, and the fuel prohibits a lean burn condition.

At 16.5:1 air/fuel mixture, I can turn in maximum fuel economy while the flame speed is still good enough in the engine to make decent power, and smooth operation. Since there is an abundance of air (oxygen) in the cylinder - more than is necessary - I am getting a very complete burn out of the fuel. Between 14.7:1 and 16.5:1 there is such a small difference in EGT that is not noticeable.

At 18:1 air/fuel the engine starts cutting off. Gasoline vapor burns too slowly at this ratio. There is not enough gasoline vapor in the cylinder, and yet there is an abundance of air. The resulting combustion is too slow to do any work, since the piston speed is nearly the same speed as the combustion, the combustion doesn't really do anything. The fuel burns, but the power declines sharply, making the engine very rough running and very low on power. Above 18.5:1 or so, my vehicle will not drive, it starts bucking as the fuel mixture is on the threshhold and will not run.

During cruise, part throttle, 16.5:1 air/fuel, I get 1000F EGT (this is very good for fuel economy).
During WOT (wide open throttle) at 13:1 air/fuel I have 1300-1450 F at the exhaust.

The reason you use more gasoline during full throttle is due to the increased pressures. Light fuel mixtures are more difficult to control, since there is more oxygen available, the fuel mixtures have a tendency to combust before the spark plug fires (detonation/pinging). If this happens at full throttle, it can damage your head gasket or destroy your pistons (I've done it many times). So what you do is richen the fuel mixture. The exhaust temperature goes down, and there is less possibility of detonation. However, gasoline is NOT GOOD at cooling an engine. Gasoline does not have a very high Latent Heat of Vaporization energy rating. On the other hand, water does. If you spray a mist of water into your engine, then you can cool the engine WITHOUT directly effecting the fuel mixture, hence you can run whatever air/fuel mixture you want without worrying about detonation (engine damage). This is why in WWII they started using water injection on air planes since the water can prevent pinging, all while using a standard fuel mixture (14.7:1).

Water injection is better at cooling than gasoline. Gasoline only cools a tiny bit, and it is NOT a great way to prevent detonation. It helps, but ultimately cars need intercoolers to cool the charge air directly before it enters, or water injection, or both.

Now here it the part that pisses me off the most. All cars have a method of richening the fuel mixture at full throttle. This prevents engine damage. Fords have been known to richen their engines excessively, some being 12.5:1 air/fuel! This yields LESS power than 13.5:1 and it WASTES fuel! It is totally against scientific logic and it makes no sense at all. Apparently these mixtures are used as a safety margin in case the injectors get dirty, etc etc. The oxygen sensor is normally disabled around 75% or 80% of full throttle. That is when your engine goes into a RICH fuel mode called OPEN LOOP, meaning NO oxygen sensor in the loop anymore. During this time a vehicle WASTES fuel because the fuel mixture is excessively rich. If you could supplement water into the engine at this time, you could use the water to cool the engine, and you would NOT NEED TO WASTE GASOLINE. Yes, we have been purposefully wasting our environment and pouring unburnt fuel through our engines just to cool them ever so slightly. It is absurd to say the least!!!

It gets really boring arguing with people who insist on using tons of gasoline on a turbocharged engine to cool an engine to prevent engine damage. Too much gasoline does cool the engine slightly, but there is a sharp decline in power. If you simply lower boost levels, or reduce ignition timing, you get the same power output with a proper fuel mixture. 

No engine should ever be running richer than 12.5:1 air fuel, because the engine becomes very sluggish below this ratio. Too much gasoline just washes the lubrication off the cylinder walls and ruins the engine oil in 1/4 the time it normally takes. Water or water/alcohol injection is the only proper method of cooling an engine.

Here is my computer controlled vehicle using a DO-IT-YOURSELF computer that I soldered together from a kit. You can control it with a lap top. This is a Toyota Tercel. I installed a Mazda turbocharger on it.

Let us get it straight. Water is the answer to fuel problems!

[gmeast]

I have an Exhaust Gas temperature gauge on my car, and a wide band air/fuel ratio monitor. So I can compare both, live, on the fly while I drive my car. I also built a computer system that can control my air fuel mixture.

Here is what happens:

At 13.5:1 air/fuel mixture with normal gasoline, you get maximum power.
At 12.5:1 air/fuel mixture power trails off a little bit since there is not enough oxygen available and the fuel does not burn completely, which means there is a small cooling of the charge (less expansion during the power stroke)
At 11:1 the car runs like a slug. You get very sluggish performance and EGT (exhaust gas temperature) goes down up to 300 degrees to about 1150 degrees F instead of (1350-1450)

Approaching 14.7:1 you get a more complete burn, and better fuel economy. This is the ratio that is REQUIRED for catalytic converters to function, otherwise there is either too much heat, or too much raw unburned fuel going into the catalytic converter and it can't possibly function at peak efficiency and you'll fail an emissions test. The oil companies and car companies are OBVIOUSLY trying to make as much money as possible, because gasoline is inherently flawed. Without a hydrogen catalyst (Water Fuel) you cannot run an engine in a lean burn mode (above 18:1) air/fuel.

My vehicle is emissions exempt, due to the local laws. So I can run my car LEANER than 14.7:1 to get better fuel economy. Beyond 14.7:1 air/fuel, you are putting more air into your motor than the fuel can possibly use. Believe it or not, gasoline will not burn LEAN. The engine design, and the fuel prohibits a lean burn condition.

At 16.5:1 air/fuel mixture, I can turn in maximum fuel economy while the flame speed is still good enough in the engine to make decent power, and smooth operation. Since there is an abundance of air (oxygen) in the cylinder - more than is necessary - I am getting a very complete burn out of the fuel. Between 14.7:1 and 16.5:1 there is such a small difference in EGT that is not noticeable.

At 18:1 air/fuel the engine starts cutting off. Gasoline vapor burns too slowly at this ratio. There is not enough gasoline vapor in the cylinder, and yet there is an abundance of air. The resulting combustion is too slow to do any work, since the piston speed is nearly the same speed as the combustion, the combustion doesn't really do anything. The fuel burns, but the power declines sharply, making the engine very rough running and very low on power. Above 18.5:1 or so, my vehicle will not drive, it starts bucking as the fuel mixture is on the threshhold and will not run.

During cruise, part throttle, 16.5:1 air/fuel, I get 1000F EGT (this is very good for fuel economy).
During WOT (wide open throttle) at 13:1 air/fuel I have 1300-1450 F at the exhaust.

The reason you use more gasoline during full throttle is due to the increased pressures. Light fuel mixtures are more difficult to control, since there is more oxygen available, the fuel mixtures have a tendency to combust before the spark plug fires (detonation/pinging). If this happens at full throttle, it can damage your head gasket or destroy your pistons (I've done it many times). So what you do is richen the fuel mixture. The exhaust temperature goes down, and there is less possibility of detonation. However, gasoline is NOT GOOD at cooling an engine. Gasoline does not have a very high Latent Heat of Vaporization energy rating. On the other hand, water does. If you spray a mist of water into your engine, then you can cool the engine WITHOUT directly effecting the fuel mixture, hence you can run whatever air/fuel mixture you want without worrying about detonation (engine damage). This is why in WWII they started using water injection on air planes since the water can prevent pinging, all while using a standard fuel mixture (14.7:1).

Water injection is better at cooling than gasoline. Gasoline only cools a tiny bit, and it is NOT a great way to prevent detonation. It helps, but ultimately cars need intercoolers to cool the charge air directly before it enters, or water injection, or both.

Now here it the part that pisses me off the most. All cars have a method of richening the fuel mixture at full throttle. This prevents engine damage. Fords have been known to richen their engines excessively, some being 12.5:1 air/fuel! This yields LESS power than 13.5:1 and it WASTES fuel! It is totally against scientific logic and it makes no sense at all. Apparently these mixtures are used as a safety margin in case the injectors get dirty, etc etc. The oxygen sensor is normally disabled around 75% or 80% of full throttle. That is when your engine goes into a RICH fuel mode called OPEN LOOP, meaning NO oxygen sensor in the loop anymore. During this time a vehicle WASTES fuel because the fuel mixture is excessively rich. If you could supplement water into the engine at this time, you could use the water to cool the engine, and you would NOT NEED TO WASTE GASOLINE. Yes, we have been purposefully wasting our environment and pouring unburnt fuel through our engines just to cool them ever so slightly. It is absurd to say the least!!!

It gets really boring arguing with people who insist on using tons of gasoline on a turbocharged engine to cool an engine to prevent engine damage. Too much gasoline does cool the engine slightly, but there is a sharp decline in power. If you simply lower boost levels, or reduce ignition timing, you get the same power output with a proper fuel mixture. 

No engine should ever be running richer than 12.5:1 air fuel, because the engine becomes very sluggish below this ratio. Too much gasoline just washes the lubrication off the cylinder walls and ruins the engine oil in 1/4 the time it normally takes. Water or water/alcohol injection is the only proper method of cooling an engine.

Here is my computer controlled vehicle using a DO-IT-YOURSELF computer that I soldered together from a kit. You can control it with a lap top. This is a Toyota Tercel. I installed a Mazda turbocharger on it.

Let us get it straight. Water is the answer to fuel problems!

Hi supermuble,

WOW!  This is great data!  I am an instrumentation 'freak' myself.  I love hard data.  I (we) all appreciate these figures and I will probably use these as benchmarks for refining the integrating  of the water spark plug (plasma) circuit in my Bug.

Have you generated data for normally aspirated, non-turbo engines ? This type of data would be relevant to my Bug (even though air cooled engines generally perform poorly - for thermal reasons).

Thanks again.  Peace,

Greg

[sparks]

     Hydrocarbons.  Hydrooxygen.  What's the difference.  A hydrogen bond is a hydrogen bond is a hydrogen bond.  Why does NASA get excited when it finds water on a planet.  Because they KNOW and have stated that water is a fuel.   Obama is talking solar and wind.  How about a world class action suit forcing the oil profiteers into implementing hydrogen storage and distribution sytems at their expense or send in the troops to make them do it.  It is criminal that the energy industry has placed the world in economic and enviromental distress.  Solar and wind are intermittent and need storage and distribution NOW.  The utility companies needed storage for peak demand electrical use since the 60's.  Dont put in a hydrogen storage facility whatever you do just throw some jet engines at the problem.  They burn exploited fossil fuels which is the onlything that these criminals seem to be able to do.  Exploitation and extortion. 

   Gotoluc

     Sorry for the rant.  You guys won't even need hydrogen to git er movin on down the road.

[gotoluc]

Hi supermuble,

WOW!  I second that .  Excellent information.

One of the pictures you posted looks like a fuel rail with injectors. Are you doing some kind of mod to it?

Thanks for sharing.

Luc

[gotoluc]

@everyone,

for those who are not following the topic at the Energetic Forum I am posting this for your information.

Question asked by me User: gotoluc

@allcanadian
I do have one question. Do you think there would be any advantages to inject the water directly in the cylinder just after the fuel explosion compared to injecting it at the intake?

Luc

Reply by User: Allcanadian

@gotoluc
LOL, I think you know the answer The water is admitted to the cylinder to convert heat energy into pressure and it is pressure which drives the engine not heat---A good example is an air engine is has no heat persay. One problem I encountered was that the water mist could flash into steam when it hit the hot valves and cylinder-----before compression, in this case the rising piston must compress air and already expanded steam and the expanded steam lowers efficiency, we want all of the water to flash into steam near TDC. So yes the perfect system would inject water mist into the cylinder just before ignition to pre-expand the water into steam and cool the engine components. Next ignition occurs and whatever water remains will instantly flash to steam and cylinder pressure will rise. It's kind of funny that this system worked great and was relatively easy to build but there was "One" problem that kept popping up, that is at very lean mixtures I would have misfires and I was looking for a better way to ignite the fuel/air mixture----and you have solved this problem for me in this very thread. From the moment I read this thread I knew you guys had solved the single biggest problem I had with my constant temperature engine and when I replicated your circuit I knew as fact you had solved this problem. I think we should look at this engine system from the proper perspective, it is a steam engine first ----which happens to produce this high pressure steam "IN" the cylinder itself at TDC near instantly. The burning fuel is nothing more that a means to an end---to produce the steam.
Regards
AC

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Reply by me User: gotoluc

Ding! Ding! Ding!... We have a winner I do believe this would be the correct direction we need to take.

I've been dragging my feet on this for a while but it is clear to me now what needs to be done.

Thank you Allcanadian in helping to put the pieces together

Luc