Simple injector

[resonanceman]

http://tech.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/WaterFuel1978/photos/browse/2b41        take a look at this....might be of interest to you resonance.

Whopper   thanks for the link 

I joined  that  group  ......not sure how  much time I will spend there but I will look around 

The  duel anode  injectors  are  very similar to my original  idea for an injector ..........then  Stefan  posted  the  link for  the  thruster .    It is WAY better  .......    I also  don't  think  the  outer  part of the  plug should  be connected to high   voltage .
It looks  like people  are having lots of trouble  with their  replications  at least in part of this kind of   grounding .


gary

[Kineticon]

Hi.
If HHO would had an imploding type burning, adding HHO to the manifold along with the gasoline would decrease the horsepower.
Instead, they report increases.
Anyway, how do we know it's implosion and not explosion?
If implosion, the timing of spark woud have to be adjusted a lot...

[greendoor]

You have to get your thinking straight on this spark plug project.

Are you trying to dissociate water into H & O, and burn them releasing heat?  If so - I believe you are going the wrong way, and the energy you will require will be as great as the energy you hope to get out of it.  But if that's what turns you on, at least design the plug for that: high temperature ceramics might be the way to go.  Probably re-inventing the wheel - checkout the Firestorm plug and others like it that have never seen the light of day because of the powers that be.

If - like I believe - you think the power in water spark plasma is a low temperature release of the latent heat energy in liquid water, then your plug design principles and materials will have to be very different.

Graneau believes that the spark energy is an electro-mechanical breaking of the hydrogen bonds that link water molecules together.  It takes about 50 joules of spark energy to do this, compared to about 10,000 Joules of spark energy to dissociate water into H & O.  Totally different things.

It's the low temperature application that suggests the greatest amount of free power - and by all account these explosions do not raise the temperature much above ambiant. 

The amount of air required is also debateable, as is the compression ratio.  I believe a completely new engine would be the best way to exploit this new energy source.  I'm thinking something more like a water pump - perhaps with accumulators to even out the pressure impulses.

ICE engines can be converted to run on compressed air - so the water spark cells could be external.  I think that is a much better idea - because it would solve the issues of rusting, hydraulicing & freezing.

[resonanceman]

You have to get your thinking straight on this spark plug project.

Greendoor

I have a suggestion  for you .
Before you tell some one "  You have to "     visit  your local hospital  and  take a walk through the intensive care unit .
You will  quickly find that eating and breathing are much preferred  but  not strictly needed  to live .

Is my need to get my thinking  straight  more important  than eating or  breathing ? 

Are you trying to dissociate water into H & O, and burn them releasing heat?  If so - I believe you are going the wrong way, and the energy you will require will be as great as the energy you hope to get out of it.  But if that's what turns you on, at least design the plug for that: high temperature ceramics might be the way to go.  Probably re-inventing the wheel - checkout the Firestorm plug and others like it that have never seen the light of day because of the powers that be.

If - like I believe - you think the power in water spark plasma is a low temperature release of the latent heat energy in liquid water, then your plug design principles and materials will have to be very different.

Graneau believes that the spark energy is an electro-mechanical breaking of the hydrogen bonds that link water molecules together.  It takes about 50 joules of spark energy to do this, compared to about 10,000 Joules of spark energy to dissociate water into H & O.  Totally different things.

It's the low temperature application that suggests the greatest amount of free power - and by all account these explosions do not raise the temperature much above ambiant. 

The amount of air required is also debateable, as is the compression ratio.  I believe a completely new engine would be the best way to exploit this new energy source.  I'm thinking something more like a water pump - perhaps with accumulators to even out the pressure impulses.

ICE engines can be converted to run on compressed air - so the water spark cells could be external.  I think that is a much better idea - because it would solve the issues of rusting, hydraulicing & freezing.

I don't care .

To me  all this is  mental mumbo  jumbo .

I  can go to the store and buy a pair  of running  shoes   without knowing  the chemical  composition of the soles  or  the exact  steps in manufacturing  them .
I  have noticed that  running   with  running shoes is much  better than running in dress shoes . 
So I buy  running shoes  for  running .

The  choices I have made to get me  to my current  design  are because  of the observations that I have made .

In the end my design  will  probably  be much lower power  than most  ...........both  the  pump section and the injector  section have built in limits  on  the power used .
In  the pump  the  power  used  is only  enough to  inject  the  right amount of   water into the cylinder .
If   you  are  thinking  in mumbo  jumbo   you  will be wondering  " now much water? ."
I don't care .     
I will inject a little   and see if it works ........
If it doesn't work  I will try a little more . 
Once I get it  running  adding more water  will make it run faster .............up to a point .......  I will find that point  by observing what happens .


gary

[resonanceman]

After thinking  about  the  design   of the  pump  part  of the injector  I   came to realize  that   bubbles  dictate  certain   details  of  the  design

For   the  pump itself    the  output  check valve  HAS  to be higher than the  input  check valve

If the input  valve is higher the  bubbles would tend to collect  there and  the air pocket  would   grow with each firing  ....... eventually   shutting off  any  flow

Controlling  the  same   problem  in the  connection  between the  pump section and the  injector section   creates a way to   make a variable   accumulator  .
All that is needed   is a  set of   discharge  tubes  of   that leave  different  amounts of  space  above them  .
So by   selecting   a discharge tube  with a valve   it  will be possible to  set  the   accumulator .

I hope to   get a  simple drawing of this  stuff  posted  this  in the next day or so .

gary