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Overunity Machines Forum



new 50 plate emd graphite cell very expensive!

Started by clarence1984, July 09, 2008, 03:20:03 PM

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clarence1984

I have been saving up money (don't tell the wife) to build this very expensive cell I had in mind.  After a few years of working on hho cells and thousands of dollars of oopsy's I found that not all carbon or graphite work.  You need high grade emd (electrode) graphite the quality steel makers use.  This ultra fine pure sintered plates are expensive about 30 bucks each plus shipping.  So I saved up got me 50 plates from a seller on ebay and finally got it all constructed.  A 50 plate emd graphite cell.  Here are some pics excuse the mess in my shop.
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This thing sucks alot of current but I'm willing to spill some beans.  I want it to be known I'm building this as a way of running a ice NOT TO BUILD A BOMB! I really don't want to get raided and people see this stuff and think boom for some odd reason.  Anyways I hate the idea of overunity I don't believe it exists.  Physics shows us this can't be done.  However it doesn't say that we can't use a very cheap source of energy  to fill that 1 percent we are not getting back out of the engine.  Let's say I have to plug my car into my house every week for about an hour and spend another 2 dollars a month on my bill in electricity WHO CARES! to fill that void the system has.  For extreme efficiency there are some ways you can get close to over unity but never reach it.  You need to recover energy from surrounding heat.

I do this by using this setup and please people give me pointers I'm always looking on how to improve this beast as I'm only getting about 88percent efficiency i presume.

I use a car amplifier it is pwm 4000 watt (about 100 bucks refurb on ebay)
There is my variable frequency from 0Hz to 40kHz voltage is 44volt to 0 and amps well it's a factor of C*V=W So I can't tell you the real time watts as it changes so often.
I have drawn up a pen and paper drawing of this. 

In order for the cell to resonate you need a laptop or small computer (free from a friend junker) I am using the Mic port and the headphone ports.  I use SIG Jenny a little freeware signal program to generate my frequency and a Lil C+ program I wrote to listen on the Mic port for the changing in resonance in the cell so that it can move the frequency output up or down in SIG Jenny. 

Now to move the efficiency way up on the scale.  You have to somehow collect surrounding energy inside the cell to increase efficiency of the input electricity.  I do this by routing the exhaust pipe into the water of the cell.  This gives me extreme heat and there fore alot of wasted energy recovered and believe me heat makes a very visual improvement on hho production.  The water is so hot it tries to convert all to steam so I use a small computer radiator to run the hho/steam through and cool the steam just enough that it goes back into the cell as water.  After the radiator is a vacuum pump (no need for bubbler it's a waste of time) this vacuum pump was 99 bucks on ebay 3cfm 34Hg of vacuum very powerful it boils the whole cell at only 60 degrees.  The output of my cell is about 350 l/hr.  I'm looking for some help in improving the efficiency.  Any ideas?  I'm not using a charge choke coil or anything like that as I found that it just used up energy from my input electricity before it got to the cell without any improvements.

fuzzytomcat

Nice project never seen one using emd graphite before. It looks like you are using copper wire to attach to the plates, have you thought of some other method like stainless steel straps tapping the Graphite plates or clamps using S.S. hardware ? I know this is experimental at this time work in progress. The copper wires depending on the electrolyte your using will corrode the copper quickly causing more resistance more amps and heat, remember the electricity runs on the outside of the wire not the inside like water in a hose. Hate to see this puppy blow ! Good luck looks worth the effort.

P.S. They do make stainless steel wire and cable its a 316 - 420 grade in lots of sizes used for picture frames to towing cables, sleeve it and use crimp terminals for a temporary fix

clarence1984

I have used industrial chemical proof epoxy to coat all connections and the wire is silicone insulated.  There is no metallic part of this cell in conductive connection to the water

clarence1984

the reason i built this cell though wasn't for my personal vehicle but for a muc h more grand idea.

That idea is and I hate to spill it here is to use the wind turbines I sell 599 for 1kw to run the cell, make hydrogen, store it in a large propane pig, and fuel several vehicles.  So after I have made my money back on the hydro and paid for the equipment required to run this operation it's a 100 percent profit business.

fuzzytomcat

Quote from: clarence1984 on July 09, 2008, 04:46:56 PM
I have used industrial chemical proof epoxy to coat all connections and the wire is silicone insulated.  There is no metallic part of this cell in conductive connection to the water

Thats fantastic, you never can tell, I'm sure you have seen some weird stuff out there as I have. I don't know how much help if any is available at this forum you might try - http://www.energeticforum.com/ there are some knowledgeable people at that forum no name calling or walking on water there though. ( they screen the members there, sometimes a email helps )

Regards,
Fuzzy
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