Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

[mondrasek]

@OU-812

Another brilliant idea!  I was kind of thinking about a donate to my paypal deal on the honor system of if this has or does give you any entertainment value.  Kind of like "pay for view".  Or maybe someone will want the screen rights to my sad story!

[gyulasun]

What is not in the patent app is this:  The major force needed to to be overcome is the repulsive force of the stator magnets.  This force does not change as we scale the wheel. 

Hi Mondrasek and All,

I would propose an idea of placing both stator magnets onto two separate small wheels (planet? wheels) which are geared to the big rotor wheel at 12 and at 6 o'clock positions and the gear ratio ought to be chosen so that when one mass switch is just passing the stator magnet, by the time the next mass switch arrives the stator magnet already have made one full circle on the small wheel.
This way the repulsive force could be reduced because the repel magnets would not approach each other perpendicularly but the "stator" magnet would just come anticlockwise from below and could push upwards the rotor magnet in the switch gradually.  I attached a small drawing showing one small wheel with the stator magnet on it at 12 o'clock and the big rotor magnet switch at the 6 o'clock position.
What do you think?

rgds,  Gyula

[LarryC]

I am still interested in alternative latches. I was thinking of turning the Rod neos sliding up and down the tubes into hedgehogs as such so they had little spikes strong enough to hold the magnet when at TOP position, yet loose enough for the force of the stator magnet to still move them.

Sorry to hear mondrasek that you suddenly discovered that Physics say it will not work. I think most people are aware of this when they first see a design, but the whole idea on the search for FE/OU is to try the design anyway, just incase they hit a quirk that bends those laws!!

No going back for me, Plastic tubing arrived, 10 big bad boy rod magnets on the way and a big wooden wheel too cut out when I get home this weekend.

Glad to hear that you're still going to give it a real try. I have my doubts about the design, but would still like to see your results. Especially since TK's device was just a work of art engineered to fail. Nobody making a serious attempt, would try to move such a large rotor mass with those few little magnets and try to break two walls. I'm sure its value was to show that if such a well built device can't run then what's the use of  anyone else trying.

Regards, Larry

[broli]

So where's the electro-magnet variant.

[mondrasek]

Hi Mondrasek and All,

I would propose an idea of placing both stator magnets onto two separate small wheels (planet? wheels) which are geared to the big rotor wheel at 12 and at 6 o'clock positions and the gear ratio ought to be chosen so that when one mass switch is just passing the stator magnet, by the time the next mass switch arrives the stator magnet already have made one full circle on the small wheel.
This way the repulsive force could be reduced because the repel magnets would not approach each other perpendicularly but the "stator" magnet would just come anticlockwise from below and could push upwards the rotor magnet in the switch gradually.  I attached a small drawing showing one small wheel with the stator magnet on it at 12 o'clock and the big rotor magnet switch at the 6 o'clock position.
What do you think?

rgds,  Gyula

This was the same idea Dudeman750 e-mailed me yesterday!

When you fire a mass switch by approaching from the side you have a big wall force.  And therefore a big acceleration of the the switch magnet once it fired.  You get exacly the same amount of energy out as it took pressing through the wall, minus losses to friction, etc.

Without the wall you will only be able to hover the magnet in the tube to the same hieight as they will if you put two in a tube opposing and hold the bottom one from falling.  With my set up the hover height was ~30 mm.  So that would be a huge reduction in the imbalance of the wheel compared to if you fire them, but yes you have also reduced the wall.

The + torque of the imbalance would be small but still exist.  Unfortunately there is an equal and opposite torque on both the main and smaller stator wheels as they approach position to line up.  Might still have some wall left too.

But try it and see!  That's how I learned the wall could be used to fire a magnet and lead me to the improved mass switch and latch idea.