URGENT! WATER AS FUEL ENGINE DISCOVERED AND PATENTED

[zapper]

Hi,

@Tishatang : Thanks for making the right connections

Maybe charging the water before it goes into the engine plays a very significant part in the energy release process. 

Maybe this is what Steve Ryan from Newzland did with his "mystery box" before using the water in his motorbike.  This along with the minor modification to the carburrator and the ignition system might be just what is needed to run our engines on water.

Regards,

Zapper

[jeanna]

Very neat. I was not familiar with the Papp engine before now.

@ Tishatang, you mention a paper by Peter Graneau. Do you have a link for this?

Since he has not replied, I will suggest the following link

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/index.html

About 2/3 of the way down the very long page is a section on papers. (It follows the section with patents)

paper 2 and 4 are by graneau.

I hope this helps.

jeanna

[tishatang]

@jenna
Thanks for stepping up to the plate for me and answering.  I am in China behind their firewall.  Besides the time difference, I cannot access many sites.  Sometimes I cannot access this site, and I have to wait.  I can not access the Rohnermachine site.  I connected the dots between the Papp engine and the water for fuel engine and wanted to bring it to everyones attention.

Here is the link I have for the Graneau papers:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get93

Anyone, please feel free to jump in on any part of this thread.  I am not an expert, but have general knowledge to see the process.  If anyone is having a problem in their own design, possibly that problem has been overcome somewhere in the Papp patents.  I did contact a representative of the Papp engine because I felt the secret was the water.  I was anxious for them to try it with just water alone without all the complications if they still had  an engine?  I didn't get very far.  Their answer was on insisting it is a nuclear fusion process and I was wrong in my conclusions.  They say soon they will get the engine running.  I wished them well and look forward to its revival.

This is how I look at the situation.  If it is a nuclear fusion engine, it will be years, if ever ,to see this technology powering our homes or automobiles.
If Peter Graneau is right, then we have a water engine already designed by papp.  Currently, the people surrounding the Papp engine are very top level PHD types, not the poor common people like you and me that need a water for fuel engine now!

It never made sense to me that a relatively uneducated immigrant could come this continent and be smarter than all these PHDs?  After all these years we have yet to see it run publicly.  What makes sense to me is that Papp probably was playing around with an plasma spark for a regular ICE.  He noticed the crankshaft jump maybe from the explosion of the moisture in the air in the unfueled chamber.  Wondering what caused that, he next starting exploring the gases that are naturally in the air including water vapor.  If noble gases are involved, there had to be some small effect observed with each gas.  There had to be some evolutionary  process that would lead to the complexity of the patents.  It could also be that all the hired big PHD's tried to explain it from their intellect and invented the complexity to get a patent with a running engine.  The Graneau theories did not exist at the time of the patents.

I wish everyone good luck in their experiments

Tishatang

[Shiver]

Maybe a mix of noble gasses can be compressed to liquid without too much compression (no idea, never looked), and so stay as a gas once exploded, whereas water returns to its water state too quickly.  There may be better liquids than water that could do this.  It wouldn't really matter what since it can be a closed loop.

[Spider]

Haha that would be nice, take a regular car engine, take the exhaust off, and make a hose from the exhaust manifold directly to the intake manifold. If it is running on hho then the water in the exhaust gasses would be reused directly as fuel again. You dont even need a turbo charger....Only add a HV spark!

Greetings Spider,

Vroom vroom...