Selfrunning Waterpump-generator device runs 60 Watts lamp...

[tishatang]

@all
There is something about Newton's laws that bother me.  The one about one action causes an equal and opposite reaction.  Logic would say this video shouldn't work.  But he has added something to the equation, velocity and momentum.   When one fires a gun, the bullet leaves at high velocity with small mass and the heavy mass rifle kicks back with a jerk.  Newton's law at work, or is it?

When I was young, I happened to see a grizzly photo of some kind of shoot out.  A man was laying on the ground with his legs all twisted around like a corkscrew. 

He had gotten shot in the hip and the bullet hit him with such force it  spun him completely around breaking his legs in multiple places.  I don't think you could do that with just the rifle itself swinging it as hard as you could and hitting him in the same place.   I always wanted to experiment and have a rifle in a floating tank in water, fire the gun and see if the kick back would equal the bullet hitting the opposite wall of the tank.  My bet is that the tank would move in the  direction of the bullet hitting the wall.

Maybe velocity changes Newtons laws?  High velocity is hitting that Pelton Wheel.  I am not a math guy, just an observer of life.

Tishatang

[hartiberlin]

I just found this comment:

On July 16, 2008, New Energy Cognress member, Francis Giroux wrote:

Come on. You guys can?t possibly believe this crude contraption runs itself. The pump making the jet of water must take at least one half horsepower (372 watts) and the light bulb at least 40 watts. That shaft driven from his very crude paddle turbine must run a generator to produce at least 400-500 watts to be able to self run. The shaft looks like it is turning at about 250 rpm (4 revs per second). With a 18? diameter or 9? radius paddle turbine, what amount of torque must be produced at 250 rpm to get 400 watts of power? Well 550 ft lb seconds = one horsepower = 748 watts. So he needs at least 300 ft lbs of steady torque produced. If his flywheel is 9? diameter that would have to be 400 pounds of constant pressure needed at the rim of that pulley. Since it only has six paddles on it, that pressure will not be steady and since he has very little mass on that flywheel, how can he get 400 pounds of steady torque on the rim of that pulley with only six paddles. I would be hard pressed to believe he could get 400 pound of pressure with the wheel held steady and the jet of water squirting directly onto one single paddle. Gee that would require about 400 psi water pressure since the cross sectional area of the hose is obviously less than one square inch. The hose looks like ?? ID hose which would be less than 0.2 square inches. So I guess the pressure would have to be 400 x 5 = 2000 psi. And we haven?t even talked about the flimsy paddles held onto a flimsy pulley with a single 3/16? stove bolt. That flimsy paddle holding 400 lbs of pressure is laughable, much less 2000 pounds

[hartiberlin]

Well,
one thing is for sure:

The pump versus the water wheel is back drag free !

The pump is always using the same input power , if you drive with it the water wheel
or not.
When the water has flown out of the nozzle and hitting the water wheel
this does not require more power to the pump.
The pump does not see the water wheel.
It always needs the same input power...

That is the difference to an electrical motor, which would need
more input power, when you drive a load with it..

So if you take a bigger diameter wheel you will also get more mechanical power
out of it,
as the torque onto the axis of the water wheel will get bigger and thus the
mechanical power output on its axis.

If this really is enough to keep the system selflooped going
has to come from independent verifications.

I guess a major role also plays the modified generator with its 2 capacitors
probably running on a resonance mode.

So we have to wait and see, if this turns out to be true
or if this is just another fake...

[broli]

I just found this comment:

On July 16, 2008, New Energy Cognress member, Francis Giroux wrote:

Come on. You guys can?t possibly believe this crude contraption runs itself. The pump making the jet of water must take at least one half horsepower (372 watts) and the light bulb at least 40 watts. That shaft driven from his very crude paddle turbine must run a generator to produce at least 400-500 watts to be able to self run. The shaft looks like it is turning at about 250 rpm (4 revs per second). With a 18? diameter or 9? radius paddle turbine, what amount of torque must be produced at 250 rpm to get 400 watts of power? Well 550 ft lb seconds = one horsepower = 748 watts. So he needs at least 300 ft lbs of steady torque produced. If his flywheel is 9? diameter that would have to be 400 pounds of constant pressure needed at the rim of that pulley. Since it only has six paddles on it, that pressure will not be steady and since he has very little mass on that flywheel, how can he get 400 pounds of steady torque on the rim of that pulley with only six paddles. I would be hard pressed to believe he could get 400 pound of pressure with the wheel held steady and the jet of water squirting directly onto one single paddle. Gee that would require about 400 psi water pressure since the cross sectional area of the hose is obviously less than one square inch. The hose looks like ?? ID hose which would be less than 0.2 square inches. So I guess the pressure would have to be 400 x 5 = 2000 psi. And we haven?t even talked about the flimsy paddles held onto a flimsy pulley with a single 3/16? stove bolt. That flimsy paddle holding 400 lbs of pressure is laughable, much less 2000 pounds

Currently what that guy says is as useless as the video of the inventor. Both prove nothing. You can't use "conventional" reasoning to discredit a revolutionary device and as for the inventor he can't just use a video to convince people. Or he opens up and brings an end to this useless speculation so people can replicate and confirm or he just gets ignored. I would ask him to politely come on to this forum and clarify his invention some more.

[hartiberlin]

I emailed Mr. Hardy yeasterday to come to this forum,
but he has not responded so far and did not show up yet.