Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[ResinRat2]

Stefan,

Sorry, my colleague and I are the last ones here today, and we will be leaving work very shortly. We do not have a meter in this lab to measure the DC current, and everyone else has gone home until Monday. That will have to wait until then.

I am very happy for all your brainstorming ideas. This is fantastic! I hope so much innovation can come from Linnard's work. I truly believe we are on the verge of the Hydrogen economy. Thanks to the internet they can no longer keep the information bottled up. Batteries that run on water, cars that run on free hydrogen, unlimited fuel for powering the world.

Come on everyone, let the information flow! Let's invent or brains out!!!

Thanks everyone for your interest.

[Kator01]

Hello,

here is another important info about the lanthanoide Cer : Please read carefully, it reacts with water to Cer-Hydroxid and pure H-Gas.

It is all in German, unortunately for our english friends here, but it is the only webside which gives this detailed info
about Cer producing H-Gas.

Now the reason why I put this info here is because I discovered that there exists a tungsten-cer-welding-rod.

Look here the different kind of welding-rods on another page of www.furtmayr.de ( see my my last post.)
There is a lot to experiment on :

http://www.furtmayr.de/wolfram/details.html#rot

If there is a person here who is well versed in chemistry : How can one convert Cer-Hydroxide back to Cer and
Water ?

In Switzerland post-busses had a Cer-Brick as a catalyst for producing H-Gas. Way back in the 60 ties they used only this H-Gas fuel and abandoned it in the 70 ties.

Kator

[MeggerMan]

Hi ResinRat2,
Be very careful with your h2o gas, even a poping a small bubble can make a bang like a mains short circuit.
I once shorted a hacksaw blade across the terminals of a car battery seconds after taking it off charge, the result was an explosion that nearly blinded me from flying plastic.
I got hit in the cheek by a piece of flying plastic, sprayed with sulfuric acid and the battery had all its plastic blown off half way down the lead plates, lucky escape or what.

I am guessing that your cell is working like a battery and short circuiting it is causing the gas production.
It would be interesting to see what current is flowing, then you can calculate its amp hour capacity when it goes flat, thats if it ever does.  So in theory if you increase the plate area the gas production should go up but so will the current, and the cell will discharge in less time.

Sounds very interesting, and if it keeps going for several days or even weeks, you may just be on to something.

Regards

Rob

[ResinRat2]

Hi Rob,

I will take everyone's warnings very seriously. In all honesty, I never really knew that HHO gas was truely that explosive until I heard it on the net today. I have the reaction going in the vent hood at work, and it is going at a slow rate. Why would anyone want to play with this stuff at home? I knew hydrogen was explosive, but HHO in the right ratios is even worse.

I am having second thoughts on letting it run past Monday. Just for safety sake, I think I am going to end it on Monday morning. I will give a final observation, a weight of losses, and anything else I see as relevant. I am worried now if the power goes out and the gas builds up to any appreciable amount. Everything we have in our lab is anti-spark, and everything is grounded, but I still don't want to come to work and find any surprises. This will give a total observation time of approximately 63 hours.

With all the guys working on this hydrolysis technology, I am surprised I have not heard of injuries or deaths caused by such research. Maybe it's not as explosive as I think.

Hey! Somebody give me an MSDS on HHO gas!

Can anybody give me a few interesting experiences on their working with HHO gas or electrolysis research? Maybe start a new thread like -- "My HHO gas detonated, and I lived to tell you this story." (LOL).

Maybe all your warnings have made me somewhat paranoid now. I will tell you that in my line of work I deal with explosive and toxic solvents, monomers, isocyanates, catalysts, and free-radical initiators. I wear all the fancy safety equipment: full-face respirator, gloves, safety shoes. We have vent hoods and everything is grounded. Safety is our number one goal, and I've been doing research this way for the last 27 years of my life. This now has me concerned.

This is a good thing though. It should get other people concerned as well.

I appreciate everyone's input. This is an excellent forum and I am glad I am part of it.

Thanks for your concern and interest.

[mikestocks2006]

Hi everyone,

Just as a follow up, I got the experiment going 45 minutes before I left work (I couldn't wait any longer). I disconnected the wires just to see what would happen and the evolution of the gas stopped. I reconnected the wires and it began again.

I left the experiment running in the vent hood at work and the evolution of the gas was a steady slow rate. It looked safe to leave running overnight. I work tommorrow so I will see how much water is left in the beaker. That will be about 14 hours from now. Starting volume was 80 ml total solution.

I believe the rate is slow because the tungsten carbide electrode I used was the smallest available (1/16") and this reduces the surface area available for electrolysis. I will try multiple tungsten electrodes tommorrow to see if I can jack the rate of gas evolution.

I will see if I can get my camara to work tommorrow. Try and figure a way to post pics on the net. (I've never done it before.) Bear with me because I'm not exactly internet experienced.

I will have to alter the apparatus also so that I can collect the gas and test flammability. This may take a while too. I want to leave it at work for safety reasons right now. The caustic solution can be hazardous.

This has me very excited.

Hi ResinRat2,
Nice work in both setting up the experiment to confirm the patent and reporting back results.

Before you dismantle everything, is it possible at your location to test for consumption of reactants in the beaker? I?d assume you may have access to a nice spectrum of analytical lab equipment there. Measuring concentration of solubles after, normalize for the original amount of solvent -water in this case- weight of rods before and after, any plating occurring etc. Plating may not be too bad, as it can be reversed depending on how much is there. If there isn?t any it would be even better. An initial skin oxidation (rods) and/or anodization if non progressive is acceptable maybe even required.
What I?m getting at, it will be great to find out that the rods and all other metals and other compounds used inside the beaker remain unconsumed and unaltered during the Oxygen-Hydrogen generation.
Basically if the only component of the experiment that got consumed is water, it would be an excellent finding.
The rest were true catalysts, non consumed.
Not an OU device by any means, BUT a system that produces clean energy (some electricity and ofc Oxygen and hydrogen) and the only used resource is water and that would be excellent.

Also this might be of interest:
Experiments with Chemaloy as a catalysts to free Hydrogen from plain water? It maybe going under another name these days, not sure 100% but I recalled the following while reading this thread:

?CHEMALLOY - A New Alloy for the Science Student
Originally conceived as a soldering alloy, this patented substance has anti-friction properties, will aerate soil, improves seed germination, stimulates pant growth, will generate electricity, and ?
By Samuel Freedman
What relation there can be between soldering aluminum and promoting the growth of huckleberries is hard to see --- yet in the broadest view, scientists say, all things are in some way interrelated. Chemalloy, with its strangely diverse properties seems to support this view.
Put a Chemalloy rod in plain water (Fig. 1) and you have a battery of .55 volt potential that will last as long as the rod is kept wet, generating enough power to operate a voltmeter, milliameter or oscilloscope. In different liquids, voltage varies from almost zero for petroleum to 1.1 for certain types of chili sauce.
As a bearing material, Chemalloy in a solid dry state withstands friction without coolant or lubricant.
Chemalloy powderized to about 1,000,000 particles per pound exhibits the same elecritical properties (Fig. 2) as the solid rod. Here it generates slightly more than .5 volt, and in addition decomposes the water, liberating hydrogen.
This process is further examined in Fig 3. First fill three graduated cylinders with water, one cold, the second warm, and the third hot. Add equal amounts of Chemalloy to each graduated cylinder. Instantly, the graduated cylinder containing hot water liberates hydrogen (Fig. 3A).

Patent with images only (no text)
Chemaloy Smelting Process from Patent # 2,796,345 of June 18, 1957
In preparing the alloy of the present invention, the following metals and metal alloys are melted together in a crucible in the following proportions to provide the metallic ingredients:
                                                      Pounds
Yellow brass (30% zinc and 70% copper)----------------  8
Aluminum --------------------------------------------   8
40-60 solder (40% tin 60% lead) ---------------------   1.5
Silver (.1%) or --------------------------------------  .1
Nickel (.1%) ---------------------------------------    .1
Zinc, to make up a 100 pound batch or --------------    82.3
                                                    -----------
                                                         100.0
The chemical ingredients are next prepared in approximately the following proportions, for a 100 pound batch of the above metal ingredients:

Powdered copper slag ---------------pounds---------     3.0
Yellow sulphur ----------------------do------------     1.25
Willow charcoal ---------------------do------------     0.75
Commercial muriatic acid ----------gallons---------     0.50

The chemical ingredients are mixed together thoroughly and the acid added and stirred into the dry ingredients until a thin or watery paste-like mass is produced.
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/chem.htm

Again, nice work there. Thx
Btw ResinRat2  handle  -line of work- ,  nice pick.