Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[hartiberlin]

ResinRat,
many thanks for posting the pics.
I am looking forward to see your next results.

Stefan if you are still haveing troubles obtaining your tungsten carbide I will gladly ship you a care package of rods next week.

Well until now I only have thoriated Tungsten rods over here.

I saw on Ebay a few auctions, that just only sell weddings rings and
bracelets made out of TungstenCarbid,
but no welding rods or other rods.

Where can one get these ?
Are also Tungstencarbid plates available, to get a bigger surface area ?

Many thanks.

[lancaIV]

Hello kingrs,
do you know that Mr. Edison bought a "light bulb"-patent from a
canadian inventor ?

S
  dL
p.s.: a search for "the greatest canadian inventors" gives more information

[ResinRat2]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the comments and encouragement. I am glad so many people are interested in this experiment. I was going over the posts and I made a list of the items I plan on looking for:

Examination of the texture appearance of each electrode. Looking for evidence of pitting or plating. I will compare these to a couple of unused electrodes. See if I notice any changes.

Measure the DC current across the shorted electrodes.

Give an approximate weight of water consumption (sorry but evaporation will have to be included in this weight. I needed the container open for venting.) This will be over a period of 40 hours when I actually took a weight of the apparatus.

I could run a solids test of the solution in the electrolysis unit and compare it to the solids of the unused solution, but the unused solution was stored in a sealed jar over the weekend. This may not be of much use. I could run it just for interest.

I will also try and add extra tungsten electrodes to see if the gas generation increases with the extra surface area. This one is probably a no-brainer, but I will do it anyway for information purposes.

I also need to remind everyone that I do have other work I need to do at work (lol) not just play time. So have patience. I may leave it going if I am adventurous, but we shall see. I hate to put it away too soon. It is starting to feel like a pet, if you know what I mean. Especially with everyone's encouragement.

That's the plan for Monday. We shall see how it goes as long as I get the chance to work on it between my projects.

Thanks everyone for making this experiment feel worthwhile.

[Dingus Mungus]

ResinRat,
many thanks for posting the pics.
I am looking forward to see your next results.

Stefan if you are still haveing troubles obtaining your tungsten carbide I will gladly ship you a care package of rods next week.

Well until now I only have thoriated Tungsten rods over here.

I saw on Ebay a few auctions, that just only sell weddings rings and
bracelets made out of TungstenCarbid,
but no welding rods or other rods.

Where can one get these ?
Are also Tungstencarbid plates available, to get a bigger surface area ?

Many thanks.

I have a friend who is trying to obtain the rods for her welding supply shop for us, she will be sending me a package of sample rods in the next week and I can forward some to Stefan and resin and anyone else who is really serious about replicating and testing the assertions of experiment 13. Resin after close reading of the patent you are a pro, this is by far the most important experiment listed in the patent and I'm glad you help "catalyze" us in to build mode. I'll be posting more information about obtaining the components as I get it. About plates of Tungsten carbide, they could be used in this cell just like in any battery or electrolysis cell, but we would only need obtain plates plated in tungsten carbide. If indeed there is no loss in potential it means there is no loss in surface area, which means no redox! If our intial tests with these rods provide proof of 100 hours of life or more it may be even more power then we think, the second video claims 350ml per min electrolyzed water per minute, thats over 550 gallons in 100 hours. Wow, this thing absolutely will change the world if it even comes close to the claims.

Thanks again to all who are taking part,
~Dingus

Dont let us get you fired yet resinrat, there is more to test! LOL!!!

[ResinRat2]

Hi Stefan and Dingus,

I was doing further study of the patent this morning and paragraph 0116 states that this particular reaction (experiment #13) experimentally found that the production of hydrogen occured at a higher rate than oxygen (confirmed by my experiment), thus the reduction of the zinc did not occur at a rate fast enough to compete with the oxidation of zinc. The zinc anode would eventually deplete. So this will likely occur, as stated in the patent, and the reaction would stop.

However, paragraph 0117 states that the application of an external electrical potential in the direction opposite to the current flow, as outlined in experiment 15, would cause the zinc to reform on the anode and the production of oxygen to occur. So the anode can be regenerated or replaced. So maybe its use as a voltaic power source is limited but the oxidation of the zinc can be reversed. The removal of the power source (or its reversal, if you want to speed up the reaction), after regeneration, will allow the reaction to again produce hydrogen.

So, it's not all bad news. In fact, it's not bad news at all. The normal electrolysis requires electrical current anyway, this way maybe less than half the time it would require external current to be added; or simply keep the external power source applied and reverse it as each reaction slows. There will still be a net gain in energy due to hydrogen's high energy potential.  I will study the patent further, but I just wanted to add this information for everyone to see.

There is so much information in this patent, including using the reaction as a power source, that it will take a bit of time to study. I recommend you all take your time and read it further. It has many tidbits of knowledge that can branch out into other projects.

I wonder if we could have two cells going, one that had the zinc oxidized, the other starting fresh, and let them power each other? Maybe just a crazy thought. It's early in the morning for me so cut me some slack on any goofey ideas I might be dreaming up at this point.

Thanks for your interest.