Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[ResinRat2]

@NssB

Guess we better figure out how to run a motor/generator combo from the hydrogen.....lot cheaper....

regards,

Robert

Sorry Robert, I missed your comment. You already suggested this.

[ResinRat2]

Simple Fuel Cell Construction:

http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html

Is it as simple as just using platinum wire or foil? I could picture having platinum wire at the surface of the electrolyte solution in the Linnard Griffin hydrogen cell. One wire or foil catches the hydrogen, the other wire or foil uses the OH^- ions. This would create a current inside the cell directly and the two wires can be extending outside the hydrogen cell, producing a voltage. The Hydrogen and OH^- ions would recombine into water, right back into the cell itself. No hydrogen tubes. No water used. A completely sealed cell.

Am I just dreaming, or can somebody tell me where I am wrong.

Time to look into platinum wire, foil, or mesh prices.

Could it be as easy as that?

Hey Dingus, could this be the answer to your dream of a completely sealed unit? Can you picture it buddy?

[Dingus Mungus]

 

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Thats %@#!^*` awesome! I don't know what the efficiency is on that method of convesion, but it may not matter considering we get some of the O2 back for free!

Somethings not right though, if we use OH-H conversion it may unballance our colloids or worse, we could have a build up of left over O2 that escaped the zincates during reduction. Not a fully closed loop if OH-H reaction is used, but in terms of chemicly burning hydrogen in that fasion: We get an abunance of OH ions from our hydroxy when its added to water, and if the OH ions are consumed the alk metal will just make a new ion for free thus releasing another free atomic hydrogen and heat the water. That would be an interesting project to persue if it worked. It can't be that easy though, as all we would need is a OH catalyst in water, with shortable platinum electrodes above and below the water line and if this method worked on OH-H combination... It would self run once under load *if* the above the water line electrodes started out surrounded by pure H2 and it was in a pressurized vessel.

Think about it... 2-OH+H2=H2O and 2Na+2H2O=2NaOH+H2, and the cycle begins again, the resistance of the load would determine the rate of the reaction, and the max rate of reaction would determine the max amperage produced by the cell. Thats just WAY to good to be true.

I think the method shown is for H2-O2 though. Which will be much more compatable with the exp13 cell. I'll do some research on this homebrew method, but you should definitely look in to some mesh or other high surface area material to suspend in a seperate bubbler and try to match your current PEM fuel cell output as cheaply as possible. Who knows this journey may also lead to some new developements in the "poor mans fuel cell" world. I already have an idea to draw out and animate that would allow the H2-O2 to enter bubbler and allow for pressurre ballance with out any gas losses. Very neat new developement to work on! I'll post anything new I find on this subject, and will start drawing out a new concept pic involving this form of fuel cell design and a way to use it to its full potential in your reactor design.

Thanks for the GREAT update!
~Dingus Mungus

[NssB]

I think efficiency is definitely the key word here. Fuel cells are expensive for a reason and thats because they are manufactured to the highest degree. If suspending a couple of platinum wires/foils above and below an electrolytic solution was indeed efficient enough, do you really think Fuel Cell developers would go to all the trouble and cost to manufacture Fuel Cells. I dunno, and I guess that's where the experimentation is required.

I've been following the Double Helix efficient electrolysis technology on another post, and something struck me.....
If somehow, you could form your Cathode and Anode into a double helix setup......would this make for a more efficient oxidation/reduction process? I'm thinking edges here.....as this appears to be what is improving efficiency in the Voltage applied hydrolysis experiments....

Hi NssB,

Does this mean that the cost of fuel cells totally negates the usefulness of this process?

Since the regeneration of the zinc takes, according to AirGen's website, less than a volt; does this mean it is no longer worth it?

What about using a small fuel cell ( a few hundred bucks) to use just to regenerate the zinc. The rest of the hydrogen gas could go for running a generator. Would this be a more useful direction?

If this process is indeed OU, then the usefullness of this process is INFINITE!
OK, so fuel cells are expensive and so on and so forth. But just imagine you had a FC manufacturer willing to work with you....


Just thoughts....

@NssB

Guess we better figure out how to run a motor/generator combo from the hydrogen.....lot cheaper....

regards,

Robert

Fuel Cell technology at present is far more efficient that any ICE/HCE. There is one company/individual who has developed an 8 cylinder opposing 4 which can run on Hydrogen which apparently has 90% plus efficiency. Its called the Larsen Hydrogen engine, you may have heard of it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xlibBuHvTzA         <--- Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KwKqBe5fiig         <--- Part 2

Seems quite interesting. Wonder what its consumption is?



Regards
NssB

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Simple Fuel Cell Construction:

http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html

Is it as simple as just using platinum wire or foil? I could picture having platinum wire at the surface of the electrolyte solution in the Linnard Griffin hydrogen cell. One wire or foil catches the hydrogen, the other wire or foil uses the OH^- ions. This would create a current inside the cell directly and the two wires can be extending outside the hydrogen cell, producing a voltage. The Hydrogen and OH^- ions would recombine into water, right back into the cell itself. No hydrogen tubes. No water used. A completely sealed cell.

Am I just dreaming, or can somebody tell me where I am wrong.

Time to look into platinum wire, foil, or mesh prices.

Could it be as easy as that?

Hey Dingus, could this be the answer to your dream of a completely sealed unit? Can you picture it buddy?

Rut Roe,  please be careful here as platinum is highly reactive with hydrogen, a known fact is platinum spark plugs used in a hydrogen ICE can cause pre-ignition and metal parts flying! Are you thinking of using platinum wire in the hydro gas section?? I would proceed with much caution.