Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[ResinRat2]

Hi Robert,

Copper would react in the electrolyte. I had some copper do this in previous experiments when I was using just jars and the electrolyte solution. It reacts somehow with one of the ingrediants in the solution. I have to look back at my notebook, which is not here with me at work, and see. I seem to remember a green or greenish surface reaction on the copper. Not sure right now. Need to look back.

Thanks for your input and interest.

[dutchy1966]

Hi RR,

Yeah you are right, probably all the liberated oxygen atoms will turn the copper green.....maybe stainless steel electrodes....

Robert

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Dave,

There are a couple of ways in which you can solve your problem with the electrodes. I think it is imperative you use platinum or perhaps palladium or rhodium. This is not as difficult as it sounds. Electroplaters that plate jewellery usually do one or all of the above metals. Simply make up your electrodes in whatever way you wish, mesh, coils or any other shape and have them plated. I would be surprised if it would cost more than 5 dollars each if you had ten or so done.

Alternatively you can buy 1 foot of platinum coated nickel wire from  http://sci-toys.com/  for ten dollars (which I think is a bit dear) but perhaps this will do the job.

The way their battery works you can see here:  http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/echem/fuel_cell/fuel_cell.html

I think they used the dihydrogen hexachloroplatinate hydrate in the video only as illustration of the science behind it rather than a practical solution.

Hope this is helpful

Hans von Lieven

[hartiberlin]

Hi ResinRat,
try it this way:

Use 2  x 99.98 % pure silver rods,
which you normaly buy for silver colloid generators
and apply in a 80degrees Celsius hot destilled water bath
an electrolysis with at least 27 Volts ( 3 x 9 Volts batteries in series)
or use a silver colloid pulse generator.

Let it run at least 30 minutes, better maybe 45 to 60 minutes
so you will have lots of fresh silver atoms inside the destilled water solution.

Then put in  many small high surface graphite beads into it and the silver atoms
will glue to the graphite beads and go into the surface of it.

Then take the beads out after a few hours and let them dry and then
make 2 containers each having a graphite bigger rod in the center and
pour in the graphite beads around them, so they have electrical contact with the
main graphite rod.
Then fill the containers with saltwater or NaOH solution
and put a hose with H2 gas in one container and in the
other O2 gas beneath the beads, so the gas can come out and
go through the beads in the saltwater to the surface slowly.

When I am right the silver atoms in the beads will work as
a catalyst cracking the gasses and produce H30+ and OH-   ions
which will charge up the graphite rods and a current could be drawn
from them.

Regards,Stefan.
P.S: I am not yet sure, what the best water -salt solution is,
but as NaOH is used in platinum coated fuel cells, I would maybe
try this first instead of just table salt...

Hi Stefan,

I'll try anything to get a less expensive alternative.

How could this be done, or how could this be tested for proof-of-concept? Anybody have any idea? I have a hydrogen generator running right now so I have plenty of hydrogen to play with.

I can purchase silver wire for use in soldering. It is almost pure silver. So how could this be set up to prove that it could work? Anybody have an idea for an experiment? How do I combine silver and carbon to test this?

I appreciate the input Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

P.S: Between the 2 silver-graphite beads containers you surely need a diaphragma connection
like using a household towel or some sort of heavier paper,so the
ions can go through it from one container to the other.