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Overunity Machines Forum



Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

Started by hartiberlin, October 04, 2005, 06:54:25 PM

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ResinRat2

Hi Koen1,

This is not a chemalloy battery, but there are some similarities in the sense of electron exchange. In my case the electrons are transferred by the wire that connects the electrodes outside of the electrolyte solution.

Once the proper procedure for the maintenance of the reactor is worked out, there should be no need for any of the components to break down. If you read the paper on the hydrogen reactor experiment, you will see that all the components, even the base OH- ions, are regenerated in the flow of the reactions. By directing some of the electricity back into the reactor the zinc regeneration is supplemented so its total reaction rate can be equal with the forward zinc consuming hydrogen production. The hard part is to find the balance of electrical input that is needed to maintain the reactor. Too much electrical input back into the reactor will cause the tungsten to plate onto the zinc anode. I tried to minimize this danger by using a very small tungsten rod for regeneration. That way there was much less electrical resistance that had to be overcome in operating the reverse current that helps to regenerate the zinc. I think that the zinc anode needs to be allowed to break down just a bit so that there is always zinc ions in the solution to replate, but you don't want those ions floating around too long because they will interact with the OH- ions from the base and form zincates. These will kill the reaction eventually. This is what I want to avoid. Also I want the zinc rods to be close together so there is very little distance to travel for the re-plating, and that way very little time to allow for the formation of a zincate.

This has been a challenge, that's for sure.

I believe that another parameter I did not take into account was the damage light would do. I think that some spectrum of normal light can break down the colloids, so perhaps the reactor needs to be protected from light. Maybe a dark amber coloring of the reactor is needed. I may do this like a separate surrounding container. Or maybe just operate it in a darkroom type of environment. That way I can see into the container when I need to, but otherwise it will be in the dark.

I also have decided the larger reactor will be made of glass. This has a much better heat transfer rate than Plexiglas, and should allow the reaction to operate more efficiently. I am thinking along the lines of a long, thin rectangular shape, so all the tungsten/carbide cathodes are right next to, but separate from, the zinc anodes. This will also allow heat to transfer from the environment more efficiently. I can clearly picture the design in my mind right now. I just need to decide on exact dimensions.

Ah, so many details. This is an amazing device that I believe will power the planet. It just needs proper development.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

NssB

Hey Dave,

Did you ever consider using a well built aquarium? I dunno if its been raised before, and I'm probably thinking that the standard sealant wont hold up too well, but it gives you a good transparent base in pre-machined dimensions.


Cheers
NssB

Super God

I think it's finally time to start replicating this setup, now that the concept is concrete and that it shows tons of potential.  However, instead of driving a fuel cell to produce electricity, my version of this setup will attempt to supplement an automobile as a fuel source and hopefully eliminate the need for gasoline completely, but that is for another time.

I'm worried about using glass as the container for the reactor, because if the gas somehow gets ignited, I don't want this thing to turn into a grenade or something like that, although if I use a bubbler this shouldn't be a problem.

Putting this into an automobile should be somewhat easier in terms of regeneration and such, because the power usage for this cell is minimal compared to other brute force type electrolyzers, all it needs is a regeneration current to keep the zinc electrode going and I should be set.  Switching the electrodes could be accomplished by a relay or a transistor.  I could also include a monitoring circuit to report the characteristics of the cell as it's operating such as the temperature, the flow rate, the tank level, etc.

The only problem I see is finding a space for this cell to fit in and finding out if it generates enough gas to do anything useful.  I'm not worried about having it run itself because the alternator of the vehicle will recharge the battery which will run the cell.  Tonight I'm going to draw up a rough sketch of my plans and hopefully get them posted!

What do you guys think?  Do you think my plan is realistic?  All I need a boost in my mpg at least, this thing is easily scalable to run a car.  I know it can.

Also, if I locate this near the radiator, the hot air from that will help create a temperature differential and thus increase the productivity of the cell, as well as act as an air conditioner for the engine ;)
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ResinRat2

Hi NssB,
The aquarium idea has come to my mind many times in the past, it just won't work with a standard aqarium design. It needs to be modified and that is the trick. Separation walls and an added section to take care of the changes that occur in water level would need to be added, and I am not sure how that can be added to a standard  aquarium. The only way I see this being built is as a custom job, from scratch. UNLESS, someone can come up with some innovative designs they want to share with the rest of us.

Thanks in advance everyone.
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

ResinRat2

Hi Brian,

I was hoping after I issued the paper that others would begin their own experiments and development in many different directions. Yours sounds challanging and ambitious. Far outside of what I could do myself, so I wish you the best of luck with it. Please let us know how it goes.

Thanks for sharing your ideas and thanks for your willingness to jump into the research. I am grateful. Very, very grateful.

It has been a lonely road so far.

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.