Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[ResinRat2]

Hi all,

This might be an easier way to see what the increase in Mg colloid does in the reaction.

The colloid would react with the zinc ions to plate the zinc out and speed this reaction:


2Zn⁺² + 2Mg_c --> 2Mg_c⁺² + 2Zn


Then the Mg_c⁺² ion would go to the tungsten cathode and reduce, thus stealing energy:


Tungsten(cathode): 2Mg_c⁺² + 4e^- --> 2Mg_c


This competes with the Hydrogen production at the same cathode:


Tungsten(cathode): 4H₂O + 4e^- --> 2H₂ + 4OH^-



Thus the hydrogen generation speed is slowed, but the zinc is replated and oxygen is produced at a higher rate. At least I think it would slow. Finding the right balance experimentally will help us to build the balanced cell we desire.


Hope this helps. I know it is a bit tedious, and I hope I didn't make any mistakes writing it down. I will go over the posts just to make sure.

Thanks for your interest.

[ResinRat2]

Hi Kator01,

I looked at the website you gave a link for, used google to translate. Not too good of a job of translating.

I was hoping if you know why this technology was abandoned? Could it have had something to do with toxicity/pollution/carcinoginic properties?

I am kind of curious, but I am not sure what you are asking me to do? I assume you think it might be of interest in using with Linnard's colloidal system. I honestly have not made any real future plans to test anything yet, I will have to plan a way to do this at home. That would mean getting a electrolysis unit, etc.

I think Dr. Linnard's patent has so much information and well detailed experiments to build off of that I want to encourage as many people as possible to begin testing his ideas. If you have an idea, jump for it. The small 100ml cell I put together was not very difficult at all. I bought all the parts at eletronics/hardware/welding supply stores (except for NaOH solution). Just keep safety in mind.

Kator, maybe you can test it yourself too. You have all the information. I say go for it!

Thanks everyone for your interest.

[Kator01]

Hi ResinRat2

my basic intention is to find the most simple system of Hydrogen-Production. This is the reason why I tried to draw your the attention to a system which has worked efficiently for more than a decade.
Althoug it is a lot of fun and a challenge to follow this Linnhard-patent I regard this to be very complicated especially because colloidale elements are used which are ( according to my 3 years experience in Ag-Colloide-production ) very sensitive to light and it is hard to tell how this sensitivity influences the efficiency and the lifetime of the cell.

Bern, Switzerland:

why the use of this fuelsystem had stopped I simply do not know, because swiss-people especially the region Bern at that times were living very isolated. Even a swiss journalist could not find the reason why they abandoned it.

I think it was just the decision in favour of oil. Imagine : if they wouldnt have abandoned it,
would there be any reason for establishing diesel od gas-engines ?
I think the swiss banks had a say in it, all systems with better efficiency became victim to the interest of the oil-companies. The same thing was true with one of Teslas technologies. Banks made the decision for oil which
brought the technology ofTesla to an abrupt halt.

Anyway,please have a look here in the english wikipedia, scroll down to the subtitle Precautions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerium

You simply need just pure Cerium and water to release Hydrogen and have left Cerium-Hydroxid.
Amount of gas-production depends on the water-temperature.
So I simply was asking if someone here knows how to get Cerium-Hydroxid back to Cerium and

Anyone here with a good chemical background - as I consider you resinRat2 as such a person - can give an answer to this, I am sure.

This swiss post-system had a way to simply recyle the Cerium-Hydroxid regaining pure Cerium for another lifecycle.

We often are blinded by the presentation of complicated systems because it is a challenge to our well  educated
minds and skills. But we then overlook the fact that there exist a much more simple way of getting the same results.

By the way, Cerium is not very toxic especially if used is closed systems. It is contained in a certain percentage in the old firestones used of more than 100 years now ( and still is) before the piezo-sytems tokk over in our modern times.

Kator01

[hartiberlin]

Kator, are you from Switzerland ? Maybe you can try to find out more, why this technology is not used anymore and find some people on the telephone and call them and report their views how well the technology worked ?
Maybe it was too expensive to recycle the Ceriumhydroxid back to Cerium?

If we can get a Linnard Griffin cell to work as well as Dr. Griffin seems to have accomplished, there is nothing to recycle and so does not need any input power..so it is easier..

[Dingus Mungus]

I would assume the project was scrapped for two simple reasons:
Lathanides are rare, and in elemental/ionic form most are radioactive/poisonous in nature.