Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[NssB]

Quote from Linnard Griffin on his electrolysis process:

"By my calculations the footprint for a reactor to supply hydrogen for a 10 KW fuel cell is one cubic meter."

1 Cubic metre cell can provide 10kW?
This my friend I would love to see!!
Don't get me wrong, I am 100% convinced that this method can convert ambient energy to useable power. That much you have proved Dave.
But really, just saying it out loud to yourself, do you believe that we'll see 10kW reactors in our labs/cars/homes anywhere in the near future?

If you say it's possible, I'm inclined to believe you...


NssB

[ResinRat2]

Quote from Linnard Griffin on his electrolysis process:
"By my calculations the footprint for a reactor to supply hydrogen for a 10 KW fuel cell is one cubic meter."

1 Cubic metre cell can provide 10kW?
This my friend I would love to see!!
Don't get me wrong, I am 100% convinced that this method can convert ambient energy to useable power. That much you have proved Dave.
But really, just saying it out loud to yourself, do you believe that we'll see 10kW reactors in our labs/cars/homes anywhere in the near future?

If you say it's possible, I'm inclined to believe you...
NssB

It's OK, I understand your skepticism. I will show you. Here on youtube is the video of a reactor (looks almost one square meter in volume to me abouts) Dr. Griffin posted years ago. As he states it is running 70 plus liters/minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnS4kfHNOEY

Now here is a link from Dr. Griffin's company Airgen website. It shows a product A20 generator. Look at the output., Look how many liters/minute it requires to run.

http://www.airgencorp.com/product.html#ag20_generator

Put two and two together. He had the ability to produce 10kW of energy back then. YEARS ago. Can you imagine what he has now?

Hope that convinces you.

Thanks for your interest.

[NssB]

hehe, ok, I got over my skepticism when I finally caught up around page 30 and all related videos/patents docs.
Indeed that video is impressive and yes Airgen do state that they can provision gens in the kW range.....but....

Ok, let me ask you to run some simple maths from your own results. You have X cubic volume of reactants producing Y volume of Hydrogen which is in turn converted to Z power output from your cells. Now if you proportionally multiply those properties where X = "The size of a microwave", do you reckon you will be able to achieve Y = 'anywhere near 70 litres/min' and Z = 'anywhere near enough to power a vehicle'?

I realise my question is very basic and if I am missing something, I'm sure you'll point it out.....

Other than that, how is the upscale going?



NssB

[ResinRat2]

Hi NssB,
This first reactor of mine was the first prototype. It's purpose was to learn how to operate the reactor so it could have a continuous output of power as long as water was added to it. It had several problems related to its design that popped up during the run that all affected the output of the cell. So this first cell can't really be used as a comparison to size vs output in future designs. What I am trying to achieve here is overunity. In order to do that I need to use the most efficient means to produce electricity. Running an internal combustion engine is NOT the most efficient way. The fuel cell is far more efficient and that is why I have been concentrating on this angle of development and research. What my initial results show is that the amount of energy required to regenerate the zinc was only about 11% of the total output of the fuel cells. That was convincing enough for me to scale up; and Dr.Griffin's video is impressive to show that the output of the reactor can be increased simply by increasing it's size. Good enough for me.

It ran for 20 days and was still outputting hydrogen, but the cell was damaged by the shorting of the reaction when the tungsten electrodes began touching. This hurt the output from then on. The future design won't have that problem. If you want it to run an engine then I can't answer its effectiveness. Is 75 liters/min enough? What about half that output? Would that be enough? How much hydrogen does it take to run an engine? What size engine? Many, many variables that I don't have an answer for and are outside this area of research that I am concentrating on.

In my ideal, your car would be electric and would trickle-charge overnight. It would have a small reactor on-board that trickle-charged your batteries continuously and you would just add water each day. No need for 75 liters/min output. You drive your car a few hours out of the day and the rest of the day it charges. That would probably handle most to almost all the usual average driving that people do. Now relate that to small devices, computers, lights, etc. These can be handled the same way. That is why answering you questions are just side tangents. They don't relate much to my vision and ideal; but I am sure any needed output can be handled by simply scale-up; and just imagine the power output if they covered vast areas of useless, hot, hot desert. The output from large reactors would be enormous. That is the vision I see.

[Micha]

Hei People ,
can somebody give me a little math. help .?
My question is : How big is the energie in J from HHO in 1 liter .?
And Dave do you made some calculations of total output of Gas and Energie from your Cell during the last 20 days ? Can you talk about a efficiency faktor .?
Thanks Michael