Electrinium

[resonanceman]

Howdy Resonanceman, Brodi,

Uh, yeah you mean a smaller capital investment.  Yeah we can do that, it will take more of what I call "scrapyard ingenuity" but yeah that is possible.  I don't think this will be cheap any way round.  Even if we can get reasonably priced equipment there is still a major engineering effort.  The companies that first built semiconducting devices like Bell Labs and Texas Instruments didn't have all the sophisticated semiconductor manufacturing technology because in the 1950's that stuff didn't exist yet.  They basically had an advanced college physics lab with no "technology"

We are going to need a furnace and a crucible which can handle molten silicon in the least.  I am worried a little about the crystal pulling process.  This will not do well to be done by hand.  We would have to devise a "jig" that could pull the seed at a regular rate so as not to create deformities in the crystal.  A diamond saw would be OK, but a CO₂ Laser would be optimum for cutting the finished crystals.  At this point we can attach electrodes and call them "proof of concept", just cut crystals with electrodes that can demonstrate the material.

For production we would need to replicate many different kinds of batteries.  From those tiny coin cells, up to gigantic truck and marine batteries.  This can happen after we find investors or John McCain tells me I got a big ass grant.

About the suppressed technology or alien (Drannom's blue crystal) technology thing the wider this information is spread and the more people that understand the technology the harder it will be to suppress.  As far as the suppressors are concerned I think that our future visitors will be taking care of them, so I don't think that we are going to have to worry about that.  As for monopolies we just have to make sure there are several companies that make Electrinium.  Maybe take the first company and split it into 5 independent manufacturing groups and spread them out over the face of the Earth.  Then we set up new manufacturing facilities as needed in areas that need more batteries.  This way we are spreading the Electrinium technology and free energy around the globe simultaneously.

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

I  think  "scrapyard ingenuity" is the way to go .
Anyone   can  come up  with an answer if they  have unlimited bucks to throw  at the problem .
It takes brains to  come  up with a solution   that requires  few bucks . 


I can't find the exact  drive I was thinking .
This  drive is  similar  and a good starting  point for  explaining  the differences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

In  the  animation on the link  the  output  of the  drive  moves   1 tooth   with an input of 1/2  revolution .   
This is  good   but  as I understand it  red gear is metal and all the  usable  torque has to go  through  the connection.   It is not easy to  transfer  torque through  something  with that much  freedome of movement .

The  drive I was thinking  about  works with the same principle   except  the yellow "wave generator plug"  is replaced by a gear .   The  red  gear is replaced with toothed belt  with teeth on both sides .

The inner  gear  is sized  to  be as large as possible,   with the  outer gear,   the belt and the inner  gear all meshed on one side, there  would  be   just enough room on the  other  side for the  belt to  slip between the  gears.

If the  inner  gear is  driven around  the outer gear by an eccentric  ( a  drive shaft  with  the driving part intentionally  off center )  and the  inner gear is allowed to rotate the  belt  will slowly  rotate .
If  2 or more matching eccentrics  are used to drive the   inner  gear  it  will follow a circular path around the  outer gear  but will not rotate.   The  outer gear with then rotate at  the difference in circumference  of the  gears per  revolution.

I am not  sure how  small they make  drive belts  with  teeth on both  sides . 
I am pretty sure  we can find one small enough to be usable .

As far as the inner and outer gears .  I am sure that they  will have to be custom  made .
With this  design the  force is spead out across many teeth .
Using  a larger  belt spreads the  load even more.
I see no reason  that at least the tooth  part of the inner and outer  gears  could not  be  made of plastic .
I have seen  posts  with  very  nice  looking  plastic parts   made with  homemade CNC machines.
Maybe  one of those people could help with the gears.   

I was thinking that the  outer gear  would   have a metal  disk   attached to the  bottom and it would  be attached to a ball screw .

The  whole thing  could be driven by a stepper motor  .... I  would suggest that  the  drive  be  belt  driven  and geared  down enough that   the stepper motor  runs  at is max speed to  have the  ball screw pulling at the  fasted expected growth rate. 

Another  little detail .    If the  outer  part  of the  outer  gear of the drive was  round  the drive could be  " clamped " in place  during  use  .   ( possibly by air cylinders )   
After a pull  the  drive could be unclamped  and  it would rotate at the speed of the stepper motor  drive .    This  would  allow  the system to be reset for another pull in a short period of time. 


As I see it   oven  would be  fixed near the bottom  of the machine.
It would  have a hole in the top  to pull the crystal through .
There  would  also be a " cooling  chamber "  that rises as  the  crystal is pulled. 
This  cooling chamber  would trap and hold much of the heat escaping  from the oven. 
The  ball  screw and  drives would all  be  above this cooling chamber .  in open air .


If   someone  on this  site  has  a CNC  big enough for  the gears and is willing to help  then  the only parts I can think of that  need machining   are the  eccentrics  and their mounting hardware .  and the metal  disk  that will make up the center of the  outer  disk and connect to the  ball screw.
The  rest  of the  stuff I would classify as basement  tech .    anyone  with  a real desire to  build could  get it done . 

I  am not  including  the  heat  source for the oven  in this  post .   I am assuming   resistance  wire or natural  gas .   but  I have no experience  with either .  so I  will leave the heat to those  that  understand it .


gary

 

[Drannom]

resonanceman

your link does not resonate at all with this topic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Drive

A harmonic drive is an input/output gearing mechanism. It is typically used for gearing reduction, but may also be used to increase rotational speed or for differential gearing. Very high gear reduction ratios are possible in a small volume (100:1 is possible in the space that Planetary gears typically only

are you doing some marketing here for something else ?

what are you doing ? start a topic on that somewhere else!

what is the fuck is this, i do not understand the relation, why read that while studying electrinium ?

there are no gear in any electrinium, so start something else
or go to sleep right now

why shall we look to your link and loose some time, we are suppose to study anything but not gears

are you loose in this forum ? or shall we talk about fuel, or my cats ?

[z.monkey]

Howdy Drannom,

Yeah, we do need a gear drive to manufacture Electrinium.  We need a precise geared mechanism to pull the crystal out of the molten mixture in the crucible.  Unlike organic crystals which grow submerged in a salt solution, silicon crystals grow at high temperatures (1900 degrees C) and need to be very precisely pulled out of a molten silicon mixture at precisely the right temperature when it starts to solidify.  If you pull the crystal too quickly it will crack.  You need a constant, persistent, and very precise pull.  This gear mechanism needs to be strong enough to support the weight of the crystal, and also rugged enough to resist the high temperatures of the process.  I think Resonanceman's contribution is valid and useful.  This Electrinium idea is useless as information alone.  We need to be able to manufacture it for it to be useful to mankind...

Blessed Be...

[broli]

Maybe he was drunk or high  . Btw don't local glass formers (if you have a local one at least) have high temperature ovens? Maybe some deal could be done to make this under some personal science project disguise  .

[resonanceman]

Z Monkey   

How  far  would we need to pull the crystal?

The  way  you  described  the process  needing just the right speed and temperature
I am wondering  if it would work  pulling  it out of a crucible It seems to me that  all the contents  of the crucible would  cool at the same  time  making for a very short pull


How  viscus  is  the melted silicon? 
If it  is pretty viscus  it might be an idea to cast  it into  rods then  have some kind of tube in place of a crucible
The  silicon  would have to be heated  through the tube ......it would be a slow process ..........but  heat would be controllable

We would need  a drive on the bottom  as well as the top .    so we  could accurately  control the speed  and  crystalization process.



As far as heat goes ......I was planning on keeping  the ball screw the  drive and  motor out of the heat .   
I was thinking that  we would need  a  fixed  high temp  oven  section.
We would then need  a larger  " traveling  " box  that would  trap the heat escaping  from the  high temp section 
The temprature  difference  between the  inner  oven and the outer box would  control  the cooling rate for the crystal.
This  box could be  built in sections and telescope

If  we melted  the  silicon in a tube instead  of a crucible   we would need  2 moving  boxes.




I guess that is enough  for now .




gary