Bessler Wheel design

[gannigal]

hi there:
            very interesting diagram. But will it work?. As it is i think it will not. But if make some modifications and use levers and springs(as you have said) then it will work. And it will take time, maybe years but it can be done . D`ont you think so???.
                                          I am trying it myself, with different mechanisms but same principle. One day we will mke it. And if we cannot succed then someone else will. My diagram shows eight weights that are connected and can move to different directions at the same time. But I am finding it difficult to make the springs work. Springs are a must to make the wheel gain power and the mechanism doesnt stop its cycle. I think the springs have to connected to the shaft and their work is to pull back the wieghts close to the centre to make the wheel always imbalanced.
                         Well we will give it a try and then we will see what happens. This is all trail and error and it takes time.
                                  Gannigal

[lmzxc]

Everything in top picture rotates except for adjustable guide (3).  Handle (6) in bottom picture is for moving adjustable guide (3) to cause wheel (4) to rotate left or to rotate right or to stop rotating.

[norman6538]

Most of the proposed drawings show a center of gravity below the axle but to have
rotation the CG must be above the axle.  I usually draw a circle around the weights
and then make a guess as to whether it is below or above the CG.  The trick is to get
gravity to do what it does not want to do - stay above the axle...  Another method is
to keep the CG shifted to the right but then when it rotates how do you get gravity
to reset the weight to repeat the process?
this uses the CG shift idea.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/12341-mikhail-dmitriyev-input-1000-w-output-near-3000-w-15.html


I have had some great ideas that had great promise until I got to the reset point.
Even this centripital force idea looked promising

http://www.overunity.com/12119/centripetal-force-yealds-over-unity/#.UMCREkquo6I

Norman

[onthecuttingedge2005]

you'd be better off having a sponge 10 feet high then drooped over 9 feet long downwards, how long does the sponge have to be so that the gravity of the soaked sponge gives up 1 drop of water?

[circle]

there are a lot of good ideas here
i do not see clear indication that anyone here has the full working setup but i am supportive of anyone who can see it for themselves
(who is mod on this board now that alex no longer logs in? and why in hell have i only received 5 pm's with over 14,000 views?)
when i first found the answer for myself back in nov 07 my first reaction to it was to step back and review it all.. and take in just how simple it is
and as i saw how simple i realized that anyone could figure it out and someone else probably would in a matter of days or weeks i thought
so for two months i set it asside in the assumption that it was pointless to try to race forward with something that someone else would be putting forward with much better backing

for two months i looked into and pondered what must be the structure of this world in light of this

the idea of building it is hardly as needed as those who do not know the design imagine..
the pavlovian nature of acedemic errant presumption is appaling
if i describe a glass to you you have no problem thinking of how it operates
if i describe a one inch hole in the bottom of that glass you have no problem forseeing how it will behave when filled with water
close the top and make the hole less than a 16th of an inch and the matter of simply visualizing correctly becomes more at risk of error; it becomes a measure of your auccuracy in perceiving and in the use of insight toward detailed physical matters
i use this analogy to set up the statement that the operation of the wheel (when correctly described) leaves so little to chance that one can see what will happen as simply as with the large hole in the bottom of the glass
and while someone might wish to debate the operations viability when in operation with only a single pair of weights there becomes no question when considering the effects of repitition of form on the design; four weights or eight weights will result in one side of the wheel always having more 'weight' suspended from it

you wont have much luck trying to model it in two dimensions
you are right about #21 being a part of the design but it is only one layer (and the comment about the symbolic nature of the depicted round ends [and their counterparts] figures in) and operation changes as directional latches take hold in their turn

although my first impression and guess had held that the 'boards' might be set radialy pointing away from the hub i had soon looked at what they had to do with the function of the path of motion and found that they were placed differently and in a clever way, kept from interfeering with the weights
there is a specific reason the word 'short' is used to describe the boards and their condition of being 'warped' is worth digging into for an exact specific definition.. in light of which i saw that i needed to look into the reason the boards appeared to be 'warped'
the operation of the device applied the stress that bent them.. and as i gradually came to know... the pressure was applied as the weights decended
the rolling weight can be called front 'weight' the one that clicks into place at the bottom can be called the 'rear' weight

i had the entire structure figured out before i understood how the energy was stored and released (on the fifth day after finding the image) and the last bit about the twelve oclock position 'trigger release' for the dowel that holds the rear weight in place was the trigger for my 'eureka' (greek - literaly "i have found it") moment on the matter

and, though i had not found this description until long after solving, sure enough from a side view, there 'they' (the weights) appear "as chldren jumping over a fence"

the idea of a square wheel as a concept might be hard to get your mind around.. and perhapes a triangle wheel even moreso.. so when we get to the side view of a two sided form most are lost
look to jacobs ladder
and to show the structure of the set.. reduce again..  a single side?.. is a circle

so i am riding the fence as to the notion of opensource vs profit from this
in my view, pattents are a sham ..just there to keep the 'owners' on top (you must 'disclose' to get a pattent)
{i kinda expect that it is already pattented and kept quiet by gag order}
i can get past the idea of monitizing this but i do not care to make a half assed effort at release
if i knew for certain that i would reach 250,000 people (who are competent and give a damn) who were not in danger of suffering supression then i would problably go forward with it

however.. if you can not see that this planet is under specific managment you may be beyond hope on comprehending why i am reluctant to run forward with this

anyway.. this is the biggest clue i have set forward yet on any forum other than an anonymous message board

otherwise.. if you care to make a profit out of this (without solving either the puzzle or the many aspects of monitizing it for yourself) find a buyer
i dont care who buys it or what they want to do with it
i would like to retain the right to use it in private for my own benefit and perhapse even retain the rights to hand down same to genetic lineage (those who own and operate the planet have hedged themselves in historicaly with such deals)
although it is worth 11 billion easy, for a quick ten mill usd i will walk away from it (will consider any other offers including offers for tenured employment)
non disclosure in place, buyer to set funds in escrow with thrid party atty (pending successful evidence of proof of concept) and pay for build
yea i kinda feel dumb trying to sell something for so much when it is not much more complicated than 'how to tie your shoes' but people do not seem to know how to do this and it has good value
pain in the ass that it is to hold such a knowledge i would do better to come out with something and walk away with my life
hell.. i would gladly spend the rest of my days renouncing it and supporting the acedemic line

besides.. i have practicaly handed the design out in this post

(image is of an old lockbox, the complexity of these used to facinate me as a kid and i would often get let behind by my group as i took the time to look to exactly what was occuring within. when thinking of the early 1700s many people are unaware just how developed mechanical devices were)