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Improve your Milage with Acetone Mix

Started by professor, September 21, 2008, 04:49:34 PM

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professor

I am using just a good high temperature two stroke Oil (not the one for outboard Motors)
Same I have been using in my Rotax UL engine.
The other stuff is too hard to obtain.
Have not blown up my engine Castrol  works for me just use a bit more than recommended ,doesn't hurt
lubricates the fuel pump, upper parts and injectors.
professor
Quote from: hartiberlin on September 21, 2008, 06:04:48 PM
Hi Professor,
many thanks for posting these formulas.

I have found a link to the GP-7 racing oil:

http://www.torcoracingoils.com/Products/ProductView.aspx?id=0d99a24e-a4f4-4b7b-9c1a-c716019341f2

Here is a PDF fromits specification:

http://www.torcousa.com/technology/060908113434GP-7.pdf


I guess this modification is fristly much easier than to
build in an HHO electrolyzer.

hartiberlin

@Prof,

can you please name the exact name for the Castrol oil ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

professor

Stefan
Its really not important what Brand you buy. I have been using Castrol oil for my Ultralight Planes for the past 25Years  and had never an issue with it. There are many other brands that are equivalent as long as it is for a  High Temp Two Stroke Application like a Motorcycle vs. Outboard Motor (Low ash)  the rest is irrelevant There is however another Oil on the Market called "Bitron"  which is Superior to  ALL other Oils, but it is distributed like Avon by Individuals and not available in Stores.It is a Russian Invention where they  have removed an Electron out of the Oil  hence the oil has the tendency to search for and once found, adhere to Metal.
Someone has run an Aicraft Engine by accident with no oil pressure for an extra half an Hour without doing any Damage.
If you fill a glas container with water and drop a metal Coin into it then you pour out some oil, on top of the water some of it will  within a minute or so  get sucked down through the Water onto the Coin.
I confirmed that. Also a Dealer demonstrated it by applying a measured amount pressure  in foot pounds against a rotating shaft that was lubricated, using different Brands of Oil.
They all seized the shaft eventually as things heated up ,the oil became very viscously and flowed away from the source of friction leading to less lubrication and seizure.The opposite happens to "Bitron" it flows right into the source of friction .
I was told that there are other Brands with the same Technology including a High Temp. Compressor Oil.
Don't know that, would  have to check that out.
professor

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 22, 2008, 09:55:53 AM
@Prof,

can you please name the exact name for the Castrol oil ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.


hartiberlin

Here is a good video,
that confirms the fuel savings with Acetone.

I have already bought the funnel, now I need to get me finally some
pure Acetone this week.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHAUsGlfbx8

I am making this thread sticky, so it will be found easier.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

hartiberlin

I am reposting the text of the receipe again, so it better found
by search engines.

Here it is:

AXG7 formula (USA) has two parts:
PART 1 â€" balance of parts in AXG7
PART 2 â€" how much AXG7 in the tank

2 parts Acetone
1 part Xylene
1 part Torco GP-7 (or Torco SSO)

Gasoline engines: 3 oz. per 10 Gallons
Diesels: 2 oz. Per 10 Gallons

==========================

For European Metric system:

AXG7 - METRIC formula:

PART 1 â€" balance of parts in AXG7
PART 2 â€" how much AXG7 in the tank

2 parts Acetone
1 part Xylene
1 part Torco GP-7 (or Torco SSO)

Gasoline engines: 22.5 gr. per 10 liters
Diesels: 15 gr. per 10 liters

AXG7, in California prices, should cost $0.58 per ounce = $1.75 per 10 Gallon.
Assuming it enhances the sum of $30 invested in 10 Gallons to 110%
(10% MPG gain), we stretch a $31.75 investment to $33.
Not dramatic but worth it because the
GP-7 pays big in reduced maintenance.

However if you want to play with the formula, especially in order to make it more
affordable, the first thing to reduce is the expensive GP-7 (go down hard, see table
below), and then try to drive with equal amounts of xylene and acetone.
In any case
ACETONE is a major player and should be at least equal to the other ingredients.

AXG7-TS (TS for 'teaspoon' â€" see below the table):
PART 1 â€" balance of parts PART 2 â€" how much in tank
30 parts Acetone*
20 part Xylene*
1 part Torco GP-7*
Gasoline engines: 3 oz. per 10 Gallons
Diesels: 2 oz. per 10 Gallons
* If you want to measure it in ounces, this translates exactly to to 5 oz. of Acetone,
3.33 oz. of Xylene and 1 Teaspoon (5cc) of GP-7.

Now this formula, AXG7-TS, in California prices, is only $0.11 per ounce = $0.32 per
10 Gallon. Assuming it enhances the sum of $30 invested in 10 Gallons to 110%
(10% MPG gain), we stretch a $30.32 investment to $33. Much better economically,
wouldn't you say? Provided, of course, that it indeed gives you the same 10% for
your vehicle and driving conditions.

This information is as said experimental, and will always be. Because driving
conditions change so much, drivers and driving habits change, not to mentioned the
wide range of differences from one model to another â€" even from the same model
last year to this year. We'll never be able to calculate for sure what a Mazda 626 will
do uphill in North Dakota will do for the Gallon when it has 120,000 miles.

Who's the driver? How much wind? You get the point.

But the additive formulas DO give us, for
every car and driver, a clear starting point â€" as well as a definite range of
blending ratios.

A2X10 (Acetone 2, Xylene 10):
PART 1 â€" balance of parts
PART 2 â€" how much in tank

2 parts Acetone
10 parts Xylene
Torco GP-7: zero to 3-15 DROPS*

Gasoline engines: 12 oz. per 10 Gal.**
Diesels: 8 oz. per 10 Gallons

* That's 3 to 15 drops of GP-7 into the full tank of the car. Start without GP-7.
If you're getting better results with this formula compared to the previous ones,
AXG7 or AXG7-TS, try now with GP-7 in small quantities of a few drops per tank.
Stick with what works best for you.

** Sounds like a lot? Look here: A2X10 roughly calculates to cost around $0.06/oz or
$0.75 per 10 Gallon. That's when we eliminate the GP-7 which is quite expensive.
Compare that to AXG7 formula that came out as $0.58/oz or $1.75 for 10 Gallon.

Much cheaper now (less than half actually), and I hope it works better for you. At the
time of writing (August 13, 2007) I haven't finished testing but it seems like this
formula works well for my Corolla.

NOTE: Sometimes using 2-3 tankfuls of gasoline (per formula)
is necessary to see a rise or drop in mileage, since the vehicle
“remembers” the previous formula.

So don't change abruptly or expect a formula to work or change
overnight.

Give it time to sink in (or out, if you remove one).

The best way is to let the vehicle “forget” slowly over a tankful
of straight gasoline (no additive formulas at all), then resume
with the new formula.

You can also save money using this phenomena: add your
favorite formula once every SECOND refill.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum