Faraday's Paradox experiment

[gravityblock]

GB, could you please please please at least draw this out on paper and upload it.  I've played around with this quite a bit in the past and your descriptions are nearly impossible to visualize.  I'd rather look at the worst drawing than try to figure out your posts again.  No offense intended.  a drawing will help out this process bigtime.  thank you.

It's not any different than broli's illustration.  Broli's illustration has a different perspective to help in the visualation, but the result is the same.  The result is the voltage is increased, but the counter torque is increased as well.

[broli]

GB the inverted field idea might seem good at first but trust me it will not generate a voltage. I have been down that road with this thread...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7391.0

The reason why is partially due the fact there's no relative movement between magnet and conductor AND the fact that no matter what you do as long as you use a closed loop circuit you will always face the same problem namely what you gain at some point your lose at another. This can be because of the kirchhoff rule for current, what arrives at a point must leave from that point. This is why I posted the last illustration, if we can break that rule even for a fraction of a second we can have a wire piece that will momentarily have a magnetic field around it without using a disc or return wire. So instead we have to really think out of the box with this one. How can an open circuit wire piece have a magnetic field around it? How about electrical induction (aka polarization)?

[gravityblock]

The design in the other thread you mentioned only has a rotating frame.  You need both a rotating and stationary frame for a voltage.  A rotating frame can provide an EMF on the disc, but relative motion such as a stationary circuit is required for a voltage potential that can be brought out.

What is needed to create an EMF?  Relative motion between the disc and magnetic field.  This can happen when the disc and magnet rotate together since the magnetic field is stationary.  The rotating disc doesn't see the rotating EMF created on the disc, since they're rotating together, so no voltage is able to be brought out in the rotating frame.

What is needed to have voltage for current to flow?  Relative motion between a rotating disc with an EMF and a stationary disc.  The rotating disc will see an EMF in the stationary frame, and the stationary frame will see an EMF in the rotating frame and voltage is able to be brought out of the system. My illustration meets both of these requirements.

The stationary magnet isn't there to create an EMF, it is there to provide the torque.  The rotating disc creates an EMF in the stationary disc due to relative motion between the discs with an opposite polarity.  The current running through the stationary disc will create a torque on the stationary magnet, which will either provide a forward torque or counter torque depending on the polarity of the stationary magnet.   The inverted field doesn't need to be in the rotating frame and could always be part of the stationary frame.  It may not even be required.

[gravityblock]

I'll simplify my illustration without the inverted field.

Rotating disc and magnet with a stationary external circuit.  Do you agree there will be a voltage with that setup?  I hope so, cause it's a basic HPG. The external circuit will be a stationary disc or stationary wire piece which connects to the rotating disc at the axis with a slip ring and a brush at the rim.

As current flows through the stationary disc from axis to the rim, it will create a torque on the stationary magnet.  The stationary magnet will then provide a forward torque or counter torque according to the polarity of the stationary magnet.

Do you agree if current is running through the stationary disc, the stationary magnet will rotate if it's allowed to?  Do you agree the direction the stationary magnet will rotate depends on the direction the current is running through the disc?  Do you agree by reversing the poles on the stationary magnet, it will rotate in the opposite direction if allowed to?  Because the stationary magnet isn't allowed to rotate, it will provide a torque on the wires which is either in the direction of rotation, or against the direction of rotation depending on which pole of the stationary magnet is facing the disc.

The stationary magnet and rotating magnet will need to be separated with enough distance so they don't influence each other.

If you don't agree with any of those questions, then it won't work.  The stationary magnet and stationary disc will act as a motor for the generator or rotating disc/magnet.  I know, it sounds crazy..... a motor that doesn't rotate, but it's purpose is to provide the torque for the generator and in this respect, it can be viewed as a motor because it's giving power to the generator.  If the stationary magnet has a stronger magnetic field than the rotating magnet on the generator, then we can extract more current than the input requirements to run the generator. 

The stationary disc can be viewed as your "open circuit" wire peace with a continuous current running through it with a magnetic field.  It just has return path to the generator and an arrival path from the generator.  You said to think outside of the box, and I have.

I give you a possible solution and I hope you at least give it some thought.  My words aren't understood and my drawings aren't understood.   

What am I overlooking?

GB

[gravityblock]

I modified boli's image showing the forces on the wire and magnets with a forward torque.  I reversed the poles on the left magnet.  I added brushes to the left axis.  I corrected the arrows showing the forces.  Left disc should be viewed as a stationary circuit.  Left magnet should be viewed as providing the forward torque due to current running through the left disc (this is the reason for the pole reversal on the left magnet).  Left magnet does not induce an EMF or Voltage potential on the left disc since both are stationary.  It's role is to provide the torque.  Stationary magnet should increase the resistance in the system, which should increase the voltage potential.

The charges are separated on the right disc due to rotating through a magnetic field with an EMF pointing in one direction.  Stationary left disc provides relative motion to the rotating frame and is induced with an EMF pointing in the opposite direction as the rotating frame.  A voltage potential is created on the left disc which can be extracted between the rim and axis.

I can't simplify this anymore.