Faraday's Paradox experiment

[Dave45]

I don't know about convert?
I only believe the truth...and the truth is that the field does not rotate with the magnet matter.
Now I want to know how atomic domains that are aligned to produce the field, stay motionless as the mass rotates......that is impossible.
How can the electrons ect or any atomic domain theory explain how the field does not rotate with the matter?
The Paradox remains as far as i'm concerned.....not for me, but for the scientists who use domain theory.
My experiment clearly shows that the magnet field is SOMETHING ELSE, and that the SOMETHING is concentrated in the magnet and flowing through it....
We are all completely submerged in that SUBSTANCE.
The whole universe is too.

I think this thread has gone off topic as Scotty intended. it seems the magnet works like a magnifying glass focusing the field but not producing it. very interesting.

[gravityblock]

@Dave45:

Being off-topic is better than no discussion at all.  This thread was dead for a while.  Scotty brings up a good point on why an uniform field should rotate with the magnet according to the atomic domain theory.

The interesting thing is, with a radial magnet where half of one side is north and the other half of the same side is south, then the magnetic field does rotate with the magnet.  A radial magnet has no magnetic axis to spin on where the field remains stationary.

This suggests the south pole anchors itself to the north pole and the north pole anchors itself to the south pole.  When the north and south poles are on opposite sides of the magnet,  each pole is rotating in opposite directions relative to the face of the magnet.  The north pole will be rotating CW with the magnet's face and the south pole will be rotating CCW with the magnet's face, or vice versa.  The forces on each side of the magnet will cancel the fields from rotating with the magnet.  It's similar to having 2 people pull you in opposite directions with an equal force, you will remain stationary.

When the opposite poles are on the same side of the magnet, then they will rotate with the magnet because each pole is anchored to the other pole on the same side of the magnet, thus the field will rotate with the magnet.

When I first replied to this thread, I mentioned that the field may rotate with the magnet when current is flowing through the disc.  This is because the current flowing through the disc has a magnetic field and a moving electric field, but when current isn't flowing through the disc, then there is only a static electric field and no magnetic field on the disc.

Scotty says the paradox still remains.  I say Scotty's experiment is incomplete and there is no paradox as explained above. 

I've already suggested how opposite poles may anchor themselves to each other and why they remain stationary or rotating depending on how they are anchored to each other.  Why the idea that the field may rotate with the magnet when current is flowing through the disc is automatically rejected based on an experiment when current isn't flowing through the disc is beyond me.

Until it is understood why and how the magnetic field remains stationary when the magnet is rotating, then we have no idea how to manipulate this to our benefit.  I gave a possible reason to why and how it can rotate or remain stationary with the magnet, and current flowing through the disc can certainly change things due to it having a magnetic field.

Having an inverted field on the same side of the magnet will cause the field to rotate with the magnet.  This will allow the counter torque to be canceled when current is being taken off the disc.

This topic is about the paradox of the field remaining stationary.  There is no paradox.  It is common sense when it's logically thought through.  I'm trying to suggest ways to overcome the counter torque associated with drawing current off the disc by exploiting how the magnetic fields can rotate and remain stationary with the magnet.

If we can't move on from the basic elementary truths in the universe, such as understanding Faraday's paradox (not just accepting it or not accepting it, but really understanding why it remains stationary and what causes it to rotate with the magnet), then how can we understand how to manipulate those basic truths to our benefit and move on to more complex things to achieve OU.  I don't see it happening, cause we still drinking milk as babes do.  We should be eating meat by now and topics such as this shouldn't even exist on this board.  God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.

GB

[Dave45]

GB I understand what your saying and Im glad to see you look to God for answers and understanding I believe He will give us tools to fight in the physical world as well as in the spiritual realm.
Dave

I believe ice is the answer, more later still studying searching experimenting.

[sparks]

      When they make a permanent magnet they pass a dc current through a cooling alloy.  This creates a crystal where the magnet dipole moments of the atomic neuclei are aligned as though the current was still present.  Then before the pm is shipped they induce a very strong magnetic field though the crystal.  This energy transfer increases the intrinsic angular momentum of the atoms in the molecular matrix.  Any acceleration of mass or increase in angular momentum radiates a magnetic dipole field.  The flux of which depends on the density of the crystal and the angular momentum of the atoms distributed in the crystal.  If the mass of the pm is rotated so that it's angular momentum is the same vector as the atomic rotation there is no net change in the magnetic field radiation unless we consider the grain of the crystal and spin it at near speed of light edge velocities.  Magnetic fields are created from spinning charged mass.  If the disk is stationary and the pm is spun relative to the stationary disk it is the same as the disk spinning relative to the stationary magnet or the two spinning together.  The pm magnetic field is always the observer.  The stationary thing.  The copper mass on the edge of the disk is being penetrated by a magnetic field as is that on the core.  The acceleration relative to the pm observer field is greater on the edge of the disk than the acceleration of the copper atoms near the axis of the disk.  The radiated magnetic field is different for the faster moving atoms on the edge of the disk compared to the atoms on the interior of the disk.  This is observed by the pm magnetic field.  This changed magnetic field induces a voltage as the electrons now cycle or drift around an altered magnetic field flux.  Any current drawn through an external circuit will of course represent some more charged mass acceleration (in the mass of the disk) and another radiated magnetic field which will require input of energy from somewhere to continue the acceleration of the disk.

[gravityblock]

If the disk is stationary and the pm is spun relative to the stationary disk it is the same as the disk spinning relative to the stationary magnet or the two spinning together.

That is 100% wrong.  Rotating the magnet while the disc is stationary doesn't have a voltage potential or EMF on the disc because the magnetic field doesn't rotate with the magnet, so the disc isn't moving through the field.  <--------- This is documented very well, and it's not the same as the disk spinning relative to the stationary magnet or the two spinning together.. 

You have just stumbled upon Faraday's Paradox, the magnetic field doesn't rotate with the magnet when it's rotating on it's magnetic axis.


GB