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Faraday's Paradox experiment

Started by scotty1, September 27, 2008, 07:20:24 PM

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gravityblock

In order order to have an electric field, the charges must be separated on the disc.  The electric field has a force in one direction.  This is the electromotive force (EMF).  The electric field is static, since it has nowhere to go.

Having relative motion between the disc and external circuit is what creates the potential difference to have a voltage for current to flow.  This allows the electric field to move, since there is a return path due to the relative motion.  The angular velocity through the magnetic field is what separates the charges to create an EMF.  The difference in the angular velocity between the axis and rim does not create the potential difference between the axis and rim.  It is the relative motion between the disc and external circuit that creates the potential difference between the axis/rim of the disc and rim/axis of the external circuit.  It takes two EMF's opposite in polarity to have a voltage potential.

You're volt meter will say it has a potential voltage between the center and outer edges, but your volt meter is then providing the relative motion in order to have a voltage potential.

The EMF and the voltage are not the same thing.  The voltage is always equal and opposite in direction or polarity to the EMF.  Without the voltage, the EMF can't move those charges due to no return path, thus it remains a static electric field.


GB

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

@BEP:

What if we had an inner wheel and an outer wheel.  A wheel inside a wheel.  The inner wheel will rotate and the outer wheel will remain stationary.  There will be relative motion between the inner and outer wheels.  There will be a difference in angular velocity between the axis/rim of the inner wheel and the rim/axis of the outer wheel.  Connect a wire from the rim of the outer wheel to the axis of the inner wheel with a brush.  We'll also need a wire connecting the outer wheel to the inner wheel.

This is half baked, but I understand what you mean by the angular velocity between the axis and rim.  It does play a role.  I'll try to draw an illustration.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

The red disc will be rotating through the North Pole.  Charges will be separated on the red disc and will flow from the center of the red disc to the outer edges of the red disc due to the angular velocity between the axis and rim of the red disc.

The separated charges will now drift from the inner edges of the stationary blue disc to the outer edges of the blue disc due to particle drift caused by the EMF of the red disc.  There is no angular velocity between the axis and rim of the blue disc, since it is stationary.

The charges will then move from the outer edges of the stationary blue disc to the center edges of the red disc due to relative motion between the center of the red disc and the outer edges of the blue disc (There is relative motion between the inner and outer discs).

It's not motionless, but we are now only rotating the smaller inner disc while everything else remains stationary.  It should produce the same output power as a conventional HPG without the counter torque.  A stationary ring magnet would be good for this system.  A wheel inside a wheel, and the wheel didn't move (Ezekiel's Wheel).
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

The blue stationary disc is just part of the stationary external circuit.  The magnetic field over the blue disc is there to cause the particle drift from the electric field of the red disc with less energy input requirements.  This will increase the voltage in the system due to moving through the magnetic field of the blue disc, and this increases the resistance in the system, thus an increase in voltage. 

The magnetic field over the blue disc is opposite in polarity to the red disc to avoid the counter torque.  If both discs had the same poles, then the counter torque would be there.

No comments on the illustration.  Guess that means it doesn't work.  Guess that means it can't be modified or built upon to work.  Guess I'm wasting my time.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Grumpy

get rid of the disc and you have a TPU
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