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Faraday's Paradox experiment

Started by scotty1, September 27, 2008, 07:20:24 PM

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gravityblock

I'll be releasing a video soon that will put an end to this debate.  I will show the magnetic field does indeed rotate with the magnet.  This experiment will also show the magnetic fields are constantly disconnecting due to tension of the magnetic field lines.  A tension can only develop between the rotating magnet and stationary magnet if the field of the rotating magnet is also rotating. It is this disconnecting of the field lines that keeps the stationary magnet from rotating.  The field lines will disconnect due to tension before it has enough force to overcome the mass of the stationary magnet to cause it to rotate.  If both magnets are rotated at the same rate, then the magnetic fields of both magnets will stay connected and rotate with both magnets.

The attraction force between two magnets is reduced when one magnet is stationary while the other is rotating.  This is due to the field lines disconnecting and reconnecting due to tension developed between the rotating field and the stationary field.  When I can measure the difference in the force between the magnets, then I'll release a video showing this.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on September 04, 2010, 11:41:44 PM
I'll be releasing a video soon that will put an end to this debate.  I will show the magnetic field does indeed rotate with the magnet.  This experiment will also show the magnetic fields are constantly disconnecting due to tension of the magnetic field lines.  A tension can only develop between the rotating magnet and stationary magnet if the field of the rotating magnet is also rotating. It is this disconnecting of the field lines that keeps the stationary magnet from rotating.  The field lines will disconnect due to tension before it has enough force to overcome the mass of the stationary magnet to cause it to rotate.  If both magnets are rotated at the same rate, then the magnetic fields of both magnets will stay connected and rotate with both magnets.

The attraction force between two magnets is reduced when one magnet is stationary while the other is rotating.  This is due to the field lines disconnecting and reconnecting due to tension developed between the rotating field and the stationary field.  When I can measure the difference in the force between the magnets, then I'll release a video showing this.

GB

Frankly if you can prove that a rotating magnet also rotates its magnetic flux or field lines - then this will definitively resolve the Faraday paradox.  But the interaction of flux lines is a given.  They are subject to vagaries of proximation and they will default to their quantum 'best' rest state.  But what's required to prove this is that the rotational axis is stable and at 90 degrees to the lines of force.  And I'm not sure you need to 'measure' the force provided only that you use two magnets of the same weight, material type, and shape.  But evidence of a random connect/disconnect between flux in an interference pattern - won't cut it as proof, as this could be associated with sundry events in the orbit of the spinning magnet and it's marginal variations in location during that spin.  Also.  I wonder if it would be better to keep the magnet away from the actual drill bit as the drill itself is inductive.  Perhaps one needs to spin the magnet on some kind of non inductive axis some distance from a motor.

Very interesting GB.

Regards,
Rosemary

gravityblock

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on September 05, 2010, 02:52:07 AM
Frankly if you can prove that a rotating magnet also rotates its magnetic flux or field lines - then this will definitively resolve the Faraday paradox.  But the interaction of flux lines is a given.  They are subject to vagaries of proximation and they will default to their quantum 'best' rest state.  But what's required to prove this is that the rotational axis is stable and at 90 degrees to the lines of force.  And I'm not sure you need to 'measure' the force provided only that you use two magnets of the same weight, material type, and shape.  But evidence of a random connect/disconnect between flux in an interference pattern - won't cut it as proof, as this could be associated with sundry events in the orbit of the spinning magnet and it's marginal variations in location during that spin.  Also.  I wonder if it would be better to keep the magnet away from the actual drill bit as the drill itself is inductive.  Perhaps one needs to spin the magnet on some kind of non inductive axis some distance from a motor.

Very interesting GB.

Regards,
Rosemary

When there are more field lines connected, then the magnetic attraction between the two will be stronger (I think you will agree with this).  Fewer lines connected means it will have a weaker force.  The experiment will show that a rotating magnet and a stationary magnet will have less attraction, than if both were stationary.  I will place the stationary magnet above the rotating magnet at a distance and with enough tension by using a spring, where it doesn't fall towards the rotating magnet at a high RPM.  At a much lower RPM, then the stationary magnet will fall towards the slow rotating magnet due to an increase in attraction overcoming the tension.  The rotating magnet will be spun by hand.

I think the sundry events in the orbit of the spinning magnet and it's marginal variations in location during the spin will be negligible and can be easily disputed with another similar experiment I have already done.  I guess I'll be making two videos now, lol.  My hand experiments thus far confirms what I have been saying, unless my mind and hand are playing tricks on me, and this is always a possibility.  This is the reason why I want to measure this before I release a video.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on September 05, 2010, 03:26:07 AM
When there are more field lines connected, then the magnetic attraction between the two will be stronger (I think you will agree with this).  Fewer lines connected means it will have a weaker force.  The experiment will show that a rotating magnet and a stationary magnet will have less attraction, than if both were stationary.  I will place the stationary magnet above the rotating magnet at a distance and with enough tension by using a spring, where it doesn't fall towards the rotating magnet at a high RPM.  At a much lower RPM, then the stationary magnet will fall towards the slow rotating magnet due to an increase in attraction overcoming the tension.  The rotating magnet will be spun by hand.

I think the sundry events in the orbit of the spinning magnet and it's marginal variations in location during the spin will be negligible and can be easily disputed with another similar experiment I have already done.  I guess I'll be making two videos now, lol.  My hand experiments thus far confirms what I have been saying, unless my mind and hand are playing tricks on me, and this is always a possibility.  This is the reason why I want to measure this before I release a video.

GB

I think I get it.  That's a clever build.  The two magnets attract - the spring extends - the flux lines merge - you twist the magnet on the spring - the flux lines break - the spring relaxes.  Perhaps you need a plastic spring or you'll be introducing a variable.  Provided only that the magnet's position on its axis is invariable - then I would be inclined to agree.  It would mean that the flux IS moving in relation to the spin of the magnet.  My only concern is that you actually don't need the spring at all.  Rather position the magnets that the flux merges fully.  Then twist either one or the other magnet.  If there's a break in the flux then your argument is proved.  And you don't complicate the test with positional variations  in the magnet.  Just a thought.

I'd be really interested to see both experiments.  I think we all would.  Well done GB.  That's a really clever experiment.

Regards,
Rosemary

Added.  btw.  I think the complication in your experiment with the use of a spring is that it could be argued that the spring itself is overcoming the force of attraction between the magnets.  But it would be hard to argue this if the the spring was separated from the magnet itself.  Somehow hung in series -----rod - spring - bearing - rod - magnet .... something like that?  Not sure if you're up to such niceties - or even if they're strictly required.   ;D

forest

maybe just two magnets with holes in center levitating on a plastic or wood rod in repelling action, then spin the lower one and observe if distance between them is changed