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Buoyancy device and wheel and bubbles

Started by AB Hammer, October 11, 2008, 10:15:25 AM

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helmut

Quote from: AB Hammer on October 12, 2008, 11:06:31 AM
In the air line, once the water is out it will be easy to keep out, while running. Here is another drawing.

I will be working on the blower design to fit the needs of this system. These drawings will have to be more precise for construction, so they may take a bit of time.
This is exact the solution according to your presentation, that i wrote to Gustav Pese a view hours ago.
So lets hope, that it will work as assumed.

helmut

AB Hammer

Quote from: utilitarian on October 12, 2008, 01:11:31 PM
The energy cost of pushing air into the air bubble tube is not the only obstacle.

Another obstacle, which is just as significant, is the energy required to move a float from the air bubble tube into solid water.  This is where every flotation-based free energy plan fails.  People assume that the float can just get sucked into the water with little effort, but it costs quite a bit of energy to push a float into the water, and after frictional losses, it always costs more energy to do this than can be gotten out of the rising float.

utilitarian

Very good point to look at. The answer to at least softening this problem is again the bubbles. As the bubbles from the tube are boiling up the float goes into a much less restrictive entry. It breaks up the surface of the water. Now for out of the bubbles to the lifting side, the bubbles have to go to at least the 5:30 position so the float is in the start of the lift zone. So the most important approach to achieve is to make sure we have the bubbles and if so. We will have a runner.

helmut

I am glad to see you like the idea and as well thinking in the same direction. It is now time for me to design the blower to make sure it can make the bubbles to run it's self.
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan

hansvonlieven

G'day all,

Interesting idea Alan. I am not so sure that air bubbles would be the solution, for reasons Stefan outlined. There are other, perhaps better ways, to create bubbles. A heating element to boil the water and have steam bubbles rising might be one option, ultrasonic cavitation another. Both these systems are better equipped to deal with the hydrostatic pressure.

Perhaps worth exploring.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

AB Hammer

Greeting Hans

Some of what sent me in this direction was looking at what buoyancy devices had the most trouble with. I also have known that the release of air under a boat can sink the boat. I have also witnessed it happen with a harbor tug between the current and mixed air/gasses and it went down. (no loss of life) I see this may be the only way to get this type to work. alternatives for the descending side should be looked at to lessen the resistance. If nothing else, I believe this opens up a new possible direction in this long search for perpetual motion.
With out a dream, there can be no vision.

Alan