My first WFC/VIC

[fritz]

"In terms of Component Reactance, Inductors should always be larger than Capacitor of Figure (7-2) in order to maximize amp restriction to enhance "Voltage Deflection" "

Component Reactance:
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This is the imaginary part of complex resistance
from a capacitor or inductor. (@ a certain frequency !!!)

for cap: Xc = 1/(w*C)
Xc = reactance
w = 2 * pi * frequency
C = capacity

for coil: XL = w*L
Xl = reactance
L = inductivity

Conclusion:
This is the typical Meyer glibberish (....)

Meyer states that the WFC should be operated in electrical
resonance. This means that for such resonance Xc = Xl.
This is valid for every LC oscillation.
It is clear that Xl >> Xc _AND_ Xl = Xc isnt possible.

Even if Meyer meant inductivity instead of ind. reactance
it makes no sense cos you cannot compare henries with
farads.

If Meyer would have specified that the resonance frequency
should be very low - this would give some sense - because
it would end up with very big Ls.....

And I dont want to raise my word about amp restriction
and voltage deflection in this connex (;-))))) lol)

He definitely doesnt mean the physical size of the
involved components.

It seems obvious to me, though I don't have the math skills to prove it, that you need large inductors and a very small water capacitor to start with.

The clue is that the combination of high inductivity
with resistive wire gives a coil with high
resistance for DC. This is a very lousy coil,
normally you want the opposite.
The point is that you charge the vic with the "fast"
primary coil - and discharge it with "slow" sec, choke.
Fast/slow is not relevant for back emf - so you have the
HV back-emf spike - which loads the WFC, with very less discharge during the pause ....

BUT*** the replications appear to ignore Meyer's advice and they use a tiny worthless set of inductors with very little resistance (too large of wires and not enough inductance). He specifically says to use "resistive wire" (stainless steel) for the inductors and that they need to be LARGE while the water cell should be small. It seems that people are designing and replicating these water fuel cells partially incorrect?

Replicating pretty undocumented things without any theory
or systematic approach is wasted time for me....

Right now I think about different designs _without_ huge
coils and resistive wire. This is lots of effort - and I
think there are easier ways to achieve amp restriction and
voltage deflection. LOL!!!!!

The schematic you posted is quite nice -
At least I think it is easier to start with
and get a feeling/ grip on the involved parts.

rgds.

[kinesisfilms]

is there any way you would be able to post a visual schematic of where you are in the process?

im very interested in your understanding of the vic.

i don't understand why meyers give resonant frequencies when there is a diode on the vic.....it cannot and will not resonate....i have tried this.....it completely cuts votlage off from rising to that of the input voltage......he gives all the equations clearly showing is a valuable part to making the wfc work correctly.....yet it DOESN'T RESONATE WITH A DIODE.

[HeairBear]

Can I make this all a little more confusing? The original demo cell had no PWM or chokes. Stan did not use SS wire in his setups. He only mentions it in patents for a security measure. The SS wire is not required. Yes you can get resonance with a diode in the circuit by self resonating the coil/s. Here again are the drawings for the demo cell setup which in my opinion is much easier to understand and put together.

[supermuble]

Fritz, I like your way of thinking. I don't believe in following the leader. Our entire society is failing because of this ridiculous mentality. Thinking outside the box is necessary, even if it goes against the grain and makes no sense to anyone else. Even when everyone says your wrong, that doesn't change the truth. Keep pursuing your alternative ideas because you sound very knowledgeable about electronics. 

I am going to learn about inductors because I need to learn more.

I have an automotive car coil. I have tested a car ignition coil and it won't even put forth a spark across a 1/16" air gap when pulsing it with DC 12 volts. I'm guessing it is around 10 times weaker without using a capacitor to discharge it. The rapid discharge on the negative side of the coil obviously creates the huge spark. When I hook the same coil to a spark module, I get a 1" long spark in open air that is loud and blue. Anyway my point is, I might be able to use this car coil as a transformer, so long as I don't use a capacitor to discharge the coil. It should lower the output dramatically and I can still produce enough power by reducing the voltage to 10 volts input. It may or may not work at all, but it will be good to experiment with.

My plan is to try to use some "off the shelf" components to achieve over-unity electrolysis so it can be easily replicated. It won't be the correct setup, but it could help other people in their efforts to prove that water is a viable FUEL.

Yes, please keep us updated on your knowledge of the VIC, even if it is your own independent design. If you are willing to share (unlike Meyer) 

[kinesisfilms]

the rotary is different from the vic method.....do not confuse them......it's like a bicycle compared to a motorcycle.....they are different but contain the same ideas.