The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

[captainpecan]

I am still a little hung on trying to understand the results of the last video I posted... I will post the link again, as it kinda got buried in the middle of stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwp7podu06s

I have done many more tests since this video, and I am still getting interesting results.  All my new tests are using the motor to lift a weight, and measuring work done compared to energy lost.  I am still not seeing energy lost, directly related to running the motor.

The first thought is that due to Lenz Law, the fact that the motor runs at all, should show a loss of energy.  But in my tests, it appears that the only difference made in the circuit, is due to the added inductance of the motor coil, and the slight resistance increase.  Almost like the current doesn't even see the magnets in the motor, it just seems to push them out of it's way on it's way through. I know that is not a very scientific explanation, lol, but it does seem interesting.

Any thoughts as to why there seems to be absolutely no loss related to adding the motor in the circuit, even with a load?

Sorry, I think you are still not understanding what I'm trying to say.  I am not referring to those video's at all.  I am referring to the one in the quote above, taken from page 77 of my post.  Later on that page I posted test information also lifting a 1 oz weight with the motor. This is what I am referring to, not what you are seeing.  That is where the misunderstanding is coming from.

[Shrexes]

I am not claiming overunity by any means with this experiment, just trying to understand why my results dont show more losses than they do. And actually, yes there is a lot of energy missing in this scenario, I agree.  But the work done is useful work, not just a gram lifted a cm, but I do get your point. Believe me.

I sorted the results by starting voltage, as it shows exactly why it "appeared" to be losing less energy.  It is obvious by these results that the very small decrease in energy loss is simply due to the added inductance in the line, and less energy even left the first capacitor to start with.  That explains why less energy was lost. That's my take on it anyway.

I do find it interesting though, that if you lose half your energy simply transfering from cap to cap, it would seem you would lose a noticeable amount more when you use that energy to do work along the way between them.  My test results seem to show different, which was the entire meaning of this thread to start with. Energy does not "DIE" when it hits a motor. It flows right through it, and can continue being used to do work. Energy appears to only be lost due to resistance and other factors, but not necessarily by the force used to push those magnets around in the motor. Just my thoughts. Maybe I can be shown different or given more valuable advice as to how to prove otherwise.

I am assuming this is the point you are trying to make. And yes, you are absolutely correct. The electrons can pass straight through the system from Cap 1 to Cap 2, and can pass through a motor. The motor will move, and the Caps will be equal. Add 2 motors, or 3, or 4, 5, or even 6. If it weren't for resistance, you'd see the same thing. Science as we know it, and in these equations you and I are referring to, accepts and supports this. However, what you have at the beginning of experiment is a charge difference. There are tons of electrons in one cap, and they are rushing as fast as they can to get to the nice wide-open empty one. A motor isn't going to get in their way, they need to get to that empty cap. Think of the Americans going out west. They didn't want to be cramped in the cities, so they set out for the wide open plains. Nothing was going to stop them until it was just as dense there as it was where they already were.

The point is that the energy comes from having such a high difference in the voltage. At the end of the experiment you had roughly 9.5 in each. You could run the experiment again and again until you had 18 caps with 1 volt each. They wouldn't be worth very much by themselves because the highest difference you can get with them is 1, as opposed to 18.

I hope I am addressing all of the points you talk about, and that I'm even addressing the correct statements.

[captainpecan]

Now, the water will rush through and spin the wheel, but in the end both tanks will have equal pressure. Essentially, you are only using energy that would otherwise be wasted.

You can release the air out of a pressurized air tank, or you can blow it through a small wind mill so that it's at least doing something as it's released.

I read your post again, I had misread it earlier I think.  Now, from what you said here, "you are only using energy that would otherwise be wasted"...  Doesn't that sound like "conservation of energy"...   How much energy was lost having that wheel in the circuit?  How much would be lost to have 5 instead of 1?  Why waste the spin of the wheel, why not generate energy from it... How much did it cost to generate that new energy?  Was it "created"... No more than simply passing a magnet over a coil "creates" it..

[Shrexes]

At best, the amount of energy generated from the spinning wheel would be the amount of energy due to the density transfer anyway. In this case, the water pressure has a measurable force. Now, if the wheel were attached to a turbine of some kind that was too strong to be moved by the water, than you're only replacing the barrier that was originally there to keep the tank pressurized.

At best, what your rig is doing is using up energy that would otherwise be lost. Much like the dissipation in heat from the brake pads and the way that's used in newer cars. It's a more efficient use of a system, but it follows all equations set before it.

[captainpecan]

I am assuming this is the point you are trying to make. And yes, you are absolutely correct. The electrons can pass straight through the system from Cap 1 to Cap 2, and can pass through a motor. The motor will move, and the Caps will be equal. Add 2 motors, or 3, or 4, 5, or even 6. If it weren't for resistance, you'd see the same thing. Science as we know it, and in these equations you and I are referring to, accepts and supports this.

Yes, we are now on the same page here.  This is exactly what I am talking about.

The point is that the energy comes from having such a high difference in the voltage. At the end of the experiment you had roughly 9.5 in each. You could run the experiment again and again until you had 18 caps with 1 volt each. They wouldn't be worth very much by themselves because the highest difference you can get with them is 1, as opposed to 18.

You are exactly right, would not be worth much to have 18 caps at 1 volt each.  That's why that's not what I am talking about. Think of this, if you can add many motors between the two caps, then you can have many generators between the two caps.  If you can have many generators between the two caps, then you can charge another cap up to 18v or more by pulsing all of them into that cap. Now can you see my point?