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Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

Started by supermuble, November 19, 2008, 03:48:27 PM

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supermuble

Kator01, thanks for the information. Come to think of it, it is weird that we don't use magneto's more often, since they seem to be pretty reliable. According to the graph, the faster you move the flywheel, the higher output you get. I can understand that if you spark a battery with high voltage (not high current) it will not explode since there is no hydrogen bubbles, and it will charge very fast when conditioned to accept high voltage (Bedini charging). But looking at the diagrams, it appears that Lenz's law applies to the configuration of the Magneto, and it is doubtful that it would work any other way since there is a forced change in magnetic flux that has to occur, meaning mechanical drag?  ???



supermuble

Khabe, good experiment! That must be the basis for inductive heating?

BEP

@Kator01

Vielen Dank für die ausführliche erklärung. Mein Deutsch ist nicht perfekt, aber in der Regel gut genug beim Lesen. Mein problem ist, habe ich gelernt, Platt mehr als Deutsch.

Most of my time was at the Schlewsig Detachment and Magdeburg (before the iron curtain fell) and that was over 30 years ago (ASA/INSCOM/MI). So I embarrass myself when I try conversing. I avoid it. My wife says I sometimes speak like her Opa in my sleep. He was from Lübeck. I almost stayed.

I can't disagree with your last posts. When conductor current is the question I have no doubt current and potential reach the end of a wire at the same time. So it shows on my best scope (Textronix 7904A). I also think sawtooth must be considered because this is used in TV sets.

Now when it comes to an open circuit things change a bit. Here arguments begin but what I see is current still flows but no more than hitting a water hose with pressure with the far end valved off.

The magic seems to happen when you do as SM stated.... cancel the flux. Then there is nothing opposing the impulse (no CEMF). Another benefit is if you build a coil to cancel the flux you are also building the foundations for extremely low resonance of that coil.

When I saw the benefits is flux cancellation I dropped sawtooth as there was no need for that ramp.

As far as the kick being perpendicular induction - perhaps. When done this is the result more of wire cross-sectional mass and the number of wire crossings than length or inductance. It also leads directly to DC output when you include rotation.

BEP

In discussion of the magneto please be aware the most power producing function is this:

When the rotating magnet creates a flux circuit between the left and middle core parts this is like stacking a pile of bricks higher than normal.
When that same magnet then builds a flux circuit between the middle and right core parts it is reversing the previous polarity causing that high stack of bricks to fall. This reversal or 'fall' is more energetic. This creates the higher output of voltage AND energy as compared to simply applying the magnet , off and on, to a two pole core.

I believe @Sparks described it better. Basically there are more magnetic domains to flip during that reversal. This as opposed to a common spark ignition coil having voltage applied and removed to create flyback for spark.

Yes, this man was a genius.

If you want similar performance from a common ignition coil - I suppose you could hit the primary with alternating pulses (crossing zero) but then you would need a way to stop CEMF during half the cycle, like the 'points' do in the magneto.



khabe

Quote from: supermuble on November 28, 2008, 12:00:39 PM
Khabe, good experiment! That must be the basis for inductive heating?

Yes - Lenz´s Law explanes Eddy current ... Eddy losses ...Eddy brake ... Eddy clutch ... induction furnace ... etg ...
But actual animation ... when all posts about OU´s have been readed then ... it must to be an brilliant OU  :o
Beer can will be deformed when capacitor dicharged.
When this aluminum can restores his form - it does! - it charges through coil the capacitor newly ... and then capacitor dicharges and can will be deformed ... and so on up to end of world  ::)
No ???
OK - but why most of similar and much more stupid chemes we can found must to work?  Like motor-generator owerunity or selfrunning_waterwheel_generator_pump wheres much more losses than in this simple cheme ;)
regards,
khabe