Joule Thief

[timmy1729]

@ all
A hello to the new posters, comeon board chaps.

OK jim here, I have read all the posts, they are very outstanding, theres a jewell box of information here now.
On late sat night I came across some very interresting info, but got to look it up again to make sure, but the gist of it is this.

Torrids - primary, 1 volt = 1 turn, secondaries can be many turns.
There is a fellow on a web forum in australia, need to get in touch with him personally to see if he can give me more info, he is a gooroo on torrids it seems.

Thanks to MK1
I noticed Hans posts, thanks hans.

Right, first off, thanks to everyone who sent me the most kind words regarding my recient illness, brief as it was, the heeps of leg pulling, wonderful, I enjoyed it immensly, you all are really a pritty good bunch of boys and girls.

Jeanna, de mice are not winning, dey snuckup and hit me from behind ha ha.
I'm winning da war (faith)

Seriously, I know you are all curious, so I will briefly explain, I have Diverticulitis, which means somehow or other small grapefruit size "out-pouches" formed on the "outside" of my colyn wall. Don't know how it happens, but it did, and if the small open hole between bowel and out-pouch gets blocked, it builds pressure, causes discomfort, then within hours one suffers the most agonizeing pain as poison poors into the bowel
I don't remember the trip to hosp, I was shivering as I went into toxic shock.

For instance I was posting on the PC, turned it off, had a shower about 12.30AM, by 3am I'm crook, by 5am im reall crook, water pooring from my forehead like rain drops, PJ top soaked, head fainting, treatment 9 injections pain killers, in 3 days. Drs wanted me to have a "silver stallion" colonoscopy, boy Im brave posting this but it is necessary, because I discovered there is a great percentage of population who are getting about who don't know they have it.

This makes appendicitis be put in the fun bag of tricks.
Im still very sore, and to boot they sent me outa hospital with the drip still attatched in my arm.
Well to be fair, the nursing staff were so busy with one critically ill chap in a bad way all night next to me, then there was lights and alarms  going on and off all night long, this morning people being prepd for surgery, an older chap being transferred from hosp to hosp, and me mixed up with it all in the middle.

The Doc said go home jim, the daughter turned up, I got dressed, I forgot about the drip needle stuck in my left elbow, as the staff had, and I walked out in socks with it in plane site for all to see and no-one saw it.
No worries, Its all fixed up, the staff will be told to keep their end in order (they were just overun on their feet, as I said to matron).

see http://www.gesa.org.au/leaflets/diverticulitis.cfm  I accidently put a .com here when it hasnt got one

@ bill thanks for noticing I had not been here a while, I was thinking when was someone going to miss me.
Now I gota rest up a bit, I still sore.

Yep I had a little fun to day lol
PS thanks for pulling my leg, loved it.

jim
 

I had a bad spell last year and my Dr didn't know whether it was that or not. I got off easy with antibiotics and a CT scan or MRI. BTW, barium will MESS YOU UP. 'Nuff said. So, from what you said, I'm glad it turned out not to be that. Great to have you back!

[WilbyInebriated]

@jim
glad to hear you are doing better!

@timmy
the higher voltages they are recording is because there is no load, when you load it, the voltage drops. not loading a circuit will change all sorts of things in comparison to when it is loaded.

to quote charlie_v from another thread.
"A transformer only converts voltage to current or current to voltage, the power or energy in the transformer is the same (Power = Voltage x Current).  So you can take 50 Watts of power and produce 5000 Volts but the maximum current your load can draw would be 0.01 Amps.  If your load requires more current than that (i.e. your load is a very small resistance), the power source will not be able to supply it and the voltage in the transformer will begin to drop.  Likewise, with 50 Watts you can transform the voltage to 0.005V and the current available will be 10,000 Amps.  Of course you'd need very thick wires of very low resistance to handle that much current without over heating and melting the transformer's wire - your load would need to be a very low resistance too).
...The transformer does not create energy, it is only a pressure/flow converter.  So feeding back the output of the transformer even if it is high voltage, will not be able to take the place of a generator.  This is mainly because the losses in the system bring the operation down to below 100%.  If you had 100%, then no loss would be in the generator, and you could close the loop as long as you didn't pull any energy from the system."

[jeanna]

Yikes, Seed Savers club put me back a few pages.

@Timmy,
The reason pennyroyal works to repel mammals is that they are well aware that they will not succeed in their breeding imperative.

A dog would stay away. It causes miscarriage in the females. It does not kill.

So, don't worry that your dog will be hurt. But if it is female and pregnant, she could miscarry if she cannot get away because she lives inside. Pennyroyal is not a poison.

@ jeanna

Congratulations. Are you using the two secondary copper coils in series? Or, are you just using one of the copper secondary coils?

Yes. It is hard to describe, but it is my effort to make the one mark has been experimenting on. It has 2 2-layer coils that form the joule thief segment.  The secondary wires are in series and also 2-layer. you can not see where I twisted them together.

EDIT. actually you can - the twisted pair sticking up is their connection.

When I wound the first one up then down again, I crossed over to the other side and did the same thing up then down.

Since they were 2 wires, when I put them together the first time I put the wrong pieces together.

I think the way it is supposed to go is in series, yes.

The lower layer of the coil must go in the same direction on both of them so the currents inside the toroid are continuing to move around in one way.

The tricky part there is that when you wind the second layer of the left side you must cross over to the right side and begin turning the opposite way. It is a head spinner.

Perhaps it would be best if the joule thief wires were also made so the lower layer were also going in the same direction. Maybe mk's are that way and that is why his voltage is so high.

Mark did you do it that way?

I will check all of mine in the morning. It is too late to do anything that requires being awake. 

In fact I may have it exactly wrong. I will recheck in the morning.

The part that is hard is that although the wires touching he toroid are turning the same way, the starting place is in the opposite direction. That is why it FEELS wrong to do it right.

I have perhaps made it worse by saying all this. If so, I apologize.

It is really hard to explain.

Thank you Mark for your persistence and patience. There is still more, but this piece now makes building sense to me.


jeanna

[AbbaRue]

Finally finished reading all the new posts.  WOW!

@jeanna
Just out of curiosity, try reading the voltage across your 30 LED's. Starting at the 2nd LED and ending at the 29th.
Then try measuring the voltage across the array starting at the 3rd LED and the 28th LED.
Try each of of the legs of those LED's and let me know if you get a fairly high voltage reading.
I had 40 LED's connected in series all light up and got a fairly high voltage reading when I tried this.
I measured close to 100 volts across the array, and noticed a few of them burned out on me.
So I removed some of the LED's which caused the voltage to decrease.
I figure you should get about 70 volts across those 30. Just a guess.

@timmy1729
When you connect more capacitors in parallel you won't see an increase in your output readings.
What you will see is that anything you run off the capacitors will run for a longer time after you cut the power.
That is the purpose for Pirates 10 Farad super caps. 
He can run the Joule Thief for some time after the power is disconnected.


@Mk1
Those chapters you posted Chapter 3 and Chapter 5 are from the Free Energy Guide I suggested everyone download.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6394.0
This guide is priceless. I still have a lot of reading to do. 
But most of what we are doing here can be found in there.
At least some reference to it.

@All
I think this is one of the best threads on this forum, a project that almost anyone can build and experiment with.
The things you will learn are priceless.
And the mysteries that need to be solved are many. 
And just think this is for real! 

[Mk1]

@timmy

All the power i got came from the pickup coils , nothing else is connected to the jt circuit in any way.

@jeanna

You are getting there, you are making great progress! keep it up.

@abbarue

Nice seeing you again.And yes the information is really valuable, make a hard copy. Keep it safe.

@all

Thank for being here and the positive comment about my cat(and experiment) Miton got more hits then the other picture , he just won't stop bragging. Keep a good spirit January will be long this year.