Joule Thief

[Koen1]

Hmm okay, that seems to make some sense
So the red circled thing is a cap? Then why does it look so funny?
It looks like two small rods with a spool of fine wire wound around
both rods, and a cover of plastic. It also does not mention a voltage
nor a fahrad count... It does read "223K" but I'm not sure if that has
anything to do with the dielectric constant or if it is a serial number.
But ok, it does resemble a cap more than anything else so I'll buy it.
I wasn't sure since I know caps in the form posted by Jesus there,
those look familiar, and I have a lot of the other type too, the slightly larger
cylindrical ones (up to much larger of course, but in electronics usually
quite small).

Can anyone explain why this particular cap looks like this, with the
transparent plastic cover and what looks like fine wire wound around
its innards? Why does it not look like the ones more commonly found in
consumer electronics, the type Jesus posted a pic of?


Then the small thingy must be a trafo. Not one with a ring core though,
or perhaps a really miniature one...
So lets say I rip this off and replace it with one of those slightly larger trafos...
... would you say that is a step in the right direction or would you say
it's a waste of time and get to work on a real JT?

Anyways,
thanks for the replies guys

Regards,
Koen

P.S. I pulled apart a CFL. Dunno who posted it but for your info: this was
an 8W Philips "Tornado" CFL made for 220-240V with the famous spiral
shaped glass tube and it runs just fine on one of my modified camera boards.
I suppose the electronics may be slightly different in order to handle the 220V AC
but I'm not sure if there's much difference in the CFL tube itself. Don't think so...
I can describe the components on its pcb if you like? Just say so.

[Pirate88179]

@ Koen1:

That IS a heck of an idea with the flouro powder and the uv led!!!  That might be just what I need to carry the light through the entire tube length.  Do you think the powder would stay suspended in the water?  Or do you think it would settle out eventually?  What about florescent paint?  Could we not find a good, bright paint excited by the wavelength of our uv leds and pour a little through the tube to just coat the inside?  Then, let it dry and fire it up from both ends maybe?  I'll bet my hobby lobby store has this type of paint.  I have to try this.  If you have the powder, try that and I'll give the paint a go.

What I should do is bring a jt circuit into the store with me wired with a uv led and "try" it on the various color paints to see which is excited the most, then buy that one.  I have never messed with any uv leds before.  I think General Jim posted way, way back the wavelength they put out.

And yes, that small block on the circuit board is the trigger coil. (As Wilby has so kindly indicated, thank you)  I am soldered to one pin on the trigger coil but I don't know if it is really in my circuit or not.  I am not getting like 3,000 volts or anything, closer to 400 or so.

@ General Jim:

Fascinating find with the led and wine glass!!!  You made a projector and I guess the water and the glass were acting somehow as the lens?  I had never seen anything like this before.  Good luck on the war.  Don't cut them any slack now or they will regroup and launch an offensive.  You got them on the run, attack! Attack!

@ Gadgetmall:

No, I have not yet tried to replicate your Fuji mod.  I will.  I just thought it would be easier to buy one from you and then I could see exactly how you have done this.  I have been pretty busy with work (thank God) and have not had much time to experiment as I would like to.  Still working on the Bedini when I can, and now, I want to run out and buy some flouro paint to try the tube coating ideas.  I get side tracked easily as you have seen.

I totally agree that anyone here can do whatever it is they want to do.  If you are able to sell some boards and lights, more power to you.  The same for IST and any one of us.  To me, this is not "selling out" it is a matter of survival.

The only thing I have seen on another topic related to this (but not really) was where a guy started a topic and knew next to nothing about the subject. (Kind of like me, ha ha) Through many posts, including some from me, he was educated and helped along and some real learning took place on his part.  Everyone pitched in to help this fellow and gave him many ideas to try.  The guy then, deleted all of his posts and informed us he was applying for a patent.
This was ridiculous as without the others help, he would have never made it work and, he had already disclosed the info he did have in a public forum and therefore a patent is out of the question. (Or supposed to be, that's why he deleted his posts, probably on the advice of his attorney)  he was going to waste a lot of money for a patent that would be null and void from the day he got it, if he ever got it.  Then, unless he had a lot of money to defend his patent (the average patent defense lawsuit is about 1 million dollars according to my attorney) it would be public domain.  Even worse, as my attorney explained to me some 30 years ago when I went through the process, if 3 people jump a patent and a guy can only afford to defend against one, then the patent is considered not defended and therefore public domain.  To me, patents are a useless waste of money and effort.  My attorney's advice was to invent something, and since I invented it, I should know more about how to make it than anyone copying it.  he said I should just make and sell as many as I could, which we did, and then come up with improvements if others try to duplicate the device.

So, to recap, if my water bottle leds or light tube devices were to turn out to be a saleable item, I would do that.  Not to get rich, which I wouldn't (limited market) but just to off-set the expenses of buying all of these components I have bought this past 5 months.  I see nothing wrong with that at all.  If I were to be lucky enough to sell $500 worth of something, I would dump that money right back into larger toroids, bigger solar cells, more and more leds, etc.

So, don't sit on the sidelines here, no one should.  We need everyone and their ideas and experiments to benefit all.  And, if you can make a few bucks selling some devices, do it.  You can't eat a Fuji board or leds right? (I have tried....well, not really.)

Everyone keep up the great work being done here.  I am not biased toward the Fuji or the toroid design in any way, I am working on both.  Different tools for different applications is the way I see it.  Just my humble opinions.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

@ Koen1:

Trust me, Wilby is correct, that is a cap.  I had never seen one like that before either.  I know it is a cap because....yes, you guessed it, it zapped me pretty good a few times.  I was tired of getting shocked while trying to make my videos and I learned not to touch where the large cap use to be. (zap)  then, one day, with NO BATTERY on the board, I was getting ready to video an experiment and I picked up the board and my finger completed the circuit on the cap leads and......ZAP!  I was dumbfounded as I had not had a battery on this board all night.  So, wanting to learn, I probed around on the board to see what bit me and.....ZAP!  I got hit again.  I posted all of this many pages ago and someone on here kindly informed me that the silver can thing was a cap.  (Thank you whoever that was)

As far as removing and adding another transformer, all I can say is try it.  I have run 2 transformers from two boards in parallel from one battery and got a pretty good boost effect so, this should work on the same board too but I don't really know.

Bill

[gadgetmall]

Hmm okay, that seems to make some sense
So the red circled thing is a cap? Then why does it look so funny?
It looks like two small rods with a spool of fine wire wound around
both rods, and a cover of plastic. It also does not mention a voltage
nor a fahrad count... It does read "223K" but I'm not sure if that has
anything to do with the dielectric constant or if it is a serial number.
But ok, it does resemble a cap more than anything else so I'll buy it.
I wasn't sure since I know caps in the form posted by Jesus there,
those look familiar, and I have a lot of the other type too, the slightly larger
cylindrical ones (up to much larger of course, but in electronics usually
quite small).

Can anyone explain why this particular cap looks like this, with the
transparent plastic cover and what looks like fine wire wound around
its innards? Why does it not look like the ones more commonly found in
consumer electronics, the type Jesus posted a pic of?


Then the small thingy must be a trafo. Not one with a ring core though,
or perhaps a really miniature one...
So lets say I rip this off and replace it with one of those slightly larger trafos...
... would you say that is a step in the right direction or would you say
it's a waste of time and get to work on a real JT?

Anyways,
thanks for the replies guys

Regards,
Koen

P.S. I pulled apart a CFL. Dunno who posted it but for your info: this was
an 8W Philips "Tornado" CFL made for 220-240V with the famous spiral
shaped glass tube and it runs just fine on one of my modified camera boards.
I suppose the electronics may be slightly different in order to handle the 220V AC
but I'm not sure if there's much difference in the CFL tube itself. Don't think so...
I can describe the components on its pcb if you like? Just say so.

Very Nice Keon1 . What Kind of Camera Board was it and what kink of CFL . Spiral or u Shaped  ?I am Sure others would like to know because most are having a hard time lighting them .

[gadgetmall]

@ Koen1:

That IS a heck of an idea with the flouro powder and the uv led!!!  That might be just what I need to carry the light through the entire tube length.  Do you think the powder would stay suspended in the water?  Or do you think it would settle out eventually?  What about florescent paint?  Could we not find a good, bright paint excited by the wavelength of our uv leds and pour a little through the tube to just coat the inside?  Then, let it dry and fire it up from both ends maybe?  I'll bet my hobby lobby store has this type of paint.  I have to try this.  If you have the powder, try that and I'll give the paint a go.

What I should do is bring a jt circuit into the store with me wired with a uv led and "try" it on the various color paints to see which is excited the most, then buy that one.  I have never messed with any uv leds before.  I think General Jim posted way, way back the wavelength they put out.

And yes, that small block on the circuit board is the trigger coil. (As Wilby has so kindly indicated, thank you)  I am soldered to one pin on the trigger coil but I don't know if it is really in my circuit or not.  I am not getting like 3,000 volts or anything, closer to 400 or so.

@ General Jim:

Fascinating find with the led and wine glass!!!  You made a projector and I guess the water and the glass were acting somehow as the lens?  I had never seen anything like this before.  Good luck on the war.  Don't cut them any slack now or they will regroup and launch an offensive.  You got them on the run, attack! Attack!

@ Gadgetmall:

No, I have not yet tried to replicate your Fuji mod.  I will.  I just thought it would be easier to buy one from you and then I could see exactly how you have done this.  I have been pretty busy with work (thank God) and have not had much time to experiment as I would like to.  Still working on the Bedini when I can, and now, I want to run out and buy some flouro paint to try the tube coating ideas.  I get side tracked easily as you have seen.

I totally agree that anyone here can do whatever it is they want to do.  If you are able to sell some boards and lights, more power to you.  The same for IST and any one of us.  To me, this is not "selling out" it is a matter of survival.

The only thing I have seen on another topic related to this (but not really) was where a guy started a topic and knew next to nothing about the subject. (Kind of like me, ha ha) Through many posts, including some from me, he was educated and helped along and some real learning took place on his part.  Everyone pitched in to help this fellow and gave him many ideas to try.  The guy then, deleted all of his posts and informed us he was applying for a patent.
This was ridiculous as without the others help, he would have never made it work and, he had already disclosed the info he did have in a public forum and therefore a patent is out of the question. (Or supposed to be, that's why he deleted his posts, probably on the advice of his attorney)  he was going to waste a lot of money for a patent that would be null and void from the day he got it, if he ever got it.  Then, unless he had a lot of money to defend his patent (the average patent defense lawsuit is about 1 million dollars according to my attorney) it would be public domain.  Even worse, as my attorney explained to me some 30 years ago when I went through the process, if 3 people jump a patent and a guy can only afford to defend against one, then the patent is considered not defended and therefore public domain.  To me, patents are a useless waste of money and effort.  My attorney's advice was to invent something, and since I invented it, I should know more about how to make it than anyone copying it.  he said I should just make and sell as many as I could, which we did, and then come up with improvements if others try to duplicate the device.

So, to recap, if my water bottle leds or light tube devices were to turn out to be a saleable item, I would do that.  Not to get rich, which I wouldn't (limited market) but just to off-set the expenses of buying all of these components I have bought this past 5 months.  I see nothing wrong with that at all.  If I were to be lucky enough to sell $500 worth of something, I would dump that money right back into larger toroids, bigger solar cells, more and more leds, etc.

So, don't sit on the sidelines here, no one should.  We need everyone and their ideas and experiments to benefit all.  And, if you can make a few bucks selling some devices, do it.  You can't eat a Fuji board or leds right? (I have tried....well, not really.)

Everyone keep up the great work being done here.  I am not biased toward the Fuji or the toroid design in any way, I am working on both.  Different tools for different applications is the way I see it.  Just my humble opinions.

Bill

In regards to posting Circuits and improvements for instance the Bedini self charger is posted o here with backups from Stephan . So is the Gadget mod to the JT and Fuji . Now what if a Lurker who is not in the forum and steals this and makes Billions of dollars off My Circuit . Your Saying that open source is basically Useless with having Millions of dollars to defend My Circuit when someone steals it and paten tents it . The Only thing i did is mail Myself a copy of the Post and schematic and leave it unsealed . I guess that's useless too huh ?So that on my mind . people allways come up with ideas that make Millions . Look at RON-Co ..He sells junk but people buy it with the right advertisement . And if i happened to have aJt that runs for years and posted it what to stop them . ? Also i guess the people that are uneasy about selling stuff here have food on the table and heat and lights and water .they need to think of someone besides themselves . i the table was turned i would support that cause too. I have ate two  meals  this past 2 days .supper  rice with salt and pepper I really need the money so yea if i can help you and you can help me then great . thanks
Al. But don't feel sorry for me cause i count on the Lord for most everything and it always works out the way he want it too . Oh if you can get the powder its the best . you can make gallons of pain and liquid and still have enough for year and years . look it up on eBay ..Glow powder.