Joule Thief

[Pirate88179]

@ All:

Just a quick note on my feelings on the "off-topic" postings involving the EB's.  I am as guilty as anyone for posting the EB stuff here but, usually, it involves a JT circuit of some kind as well so I feel it is relevant.  As some have said, all of these devices are related anyway and, to be honest, I had no idea how they might work together when I began this topic.  None at all.  But now, look what we have been able to do...all these great devices lighting all sorts of things on very little power, dead batteries or an EB.

I think everyone here should feel proud for participating in this research that has led to so many varied ways of using low power to do great things.  The use of supercaps and maxcaps with the EB and JT circuits has opened up another door that offers many possibilties previously thought impossible.  For those that have a breakthrough in this area (Like Jim lighting a 1 watt Led from his EB) please feel free to post that here.  These accomplishments are important and there are more folks here that can benefit from this information than in the other EB topics.  It is quite easily possible that something used in an EB experiment might trigger someone's thinking here for a new type of JT device, who knows?

So, to sum up, we have all come this far without strict adherence to the single topic at hand and I believe we are all better off for it. So, unless someone hear's from me about a post being too far off-topic, don't worry about it.

Thank you all.

Bill

[jeanna]

...the Eb is My foundation for free energy now and forever . I will not power  with a 12 volt battery or go higher on the input unless a one volt power supply is supplying the 12 volts . period. the reason is simple . EB is FREE . 12 volts cells are not . My projects will focus on one thing . Extremely low input volts and Milliamps ...

I am working within these parameters too. Not everyone and many are very helpful.

I just posted a pic at localjoes EB thread 

I wanted to post the pic of my very old NS generator still under the tree which is showing a smaller version of what is on the EB, but also... There is this very definite and regular wave which is not on the EB today. It is mostly from the NS generator, because it is connected in the ground. But the wave begins when I hold the other lead. Then after it is connected to the generator it begins again.

BTW
The NS generator IS a joule thief.
period.

Mine all lack the spark gaps and therefore have no oscillation from the generator action.

I am picking up something else.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3500.msg184591

maybe that link will make it easier.
I need to use a magnifier on my flat screen. glare today.

jeanna

[Artic_Knight]

@All
Here is another CRO movie, it's the 3rd one I have done today of my EB output, the waveforms have changed further again slightly.
This time I have altered the image somewhat to show the Triangle waveform which we have seen on Jeannas scope on Bills Stubblefield Earth Battery Forum.
I then return my scope settings back to their original settings.

jim

if this was a galvanic reaction as most batteries are you wouldnt get these wild wave forms.  im sure a number of elements are contributing to this like grounded house current, biological, piezo electric, and the planets magnetic, should be some static electric in there some where i would think too. too bad with all these sources we cant tap more from just a couple spikes.

[resonanceman]

@jeanna

Concerning lazy man jt (Gary), it is made from 2 coil , like the regular basic  jt has a single center tap coil . Its just words .

But what is interesting is the disposition of the coil on a regular jt it would look like , humm  make one !

1
First take one wire skin about 1/4 inch at mid point then wind it on a toroid all the way around .

2
So at that point you will have one coil , then connect the one end of the coil to the E and one to the base resistor , at that point you will still have one coil .

3
Ok now lets make it work connect the positive rail of the bat to the middle point ( the sickened part from step one) by doing so the jt will be completed , and now you really have 2 coils .

Mark

yes this is  very close to how I made it.

I  taped one end  to something ........and taped the other to something else 30 ft away .      I sanded   a small ariea  of the wire and  soldered on 3 inched of heavier wire .     
I then taped it up  good .....then wrapped  it to the heaver wire ......ran it through a hole drilled in the spool ...........then continued wrapping  the next 30 ft .

So now its not so new after all , but a 300 feet of 30 gauge on a spool 10 taps for tuning the coils.that is something unseen .

Not  exactly unseen   
maybe this  exact application  is  untried ........but similar stuff has been done .
The  first glimmer of the idea  started with  that   resistor  thing that if I understand  Jim give to  Gadget .
I wanted something  that  worked like that .....only with inductors .
Quite  a while back I spent  some time reading a thread  called something like one  wire . ....   some of those experments would be interesting with one coil .
None  of what I have done is new .......I just blended  a few  ideas  that others have had together to fit my own needs.





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Do you use a core ?
Well i mean have you tried a core?
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That is one of the things I like about the Radio Shack spools .
The  Electronic Goldmine   5 for $1  toroids fit nicely in the center of the spools .       I also have some half inch diameter NEO  magnets that fit nicely into  the toriods ......this seems to  greatly  raise the permeability .
2  of those  toroids fit well  within the  spool ......3  will work  if you don;t mind them hanging out a little .

The   first time  I  dropped   the  toroids  and magnets  into  the  coil  (  it was running with no core )   the  voltage  dropped to 0

I pulled  it out  and noticed that  as I pulled it out  the voltage went  back up .......nice and smooth .       It hit me like a ton of bricks .
Assuming  I can scale this thing up ............I  just found  out how to  make the  accelerator  peddle  for  an electric car .     

From  0  to max   power with only one  moving part ....  The  core  could be connrcted directly to the  accelerator  peddle


gary

[resonanceman]

@ Jeanna,
I will try and answer you questions.
But first I want to say a few words to those bellyaching about this being off topic.

I have slept on this overnight before posting, and I feel I'm in the right frame of mind to throw my 2 cents in and say what needs to be said.

Some here have loudly bewailed the fact that there are offtopic posts, so there are, you are quite correct, however, do you know or understand the reason for those posts?
which involves the Nathan Stubblefield Forum (there are 2 of them), and how it relates to the Joule Thief Forum?
Their histories are combined.

I know of at least 4 people who post in this forum who were posting in the NS forums, (I include myself in this group), Both Stubblefield forums got stuck in a rut, and needed some fresh thinking/ideas, to get back into it again.

It turns out that no matter what people did in the NS forums, they just could not get the EB to function as the patient described, this caused a lot of grey hairs and angst.

Believe you me, a lot of effort and research went into those forums.

I believe it was because of this disappointment, that this forum was started, it just so happened that the Joule Thief has kick started the posting back onto the NS forums, about a year later.
In the future I will be posting NS stuff there and JT stuff here.

It has been mentioned several times by posters here, would the JT work off a NS earth battery?

Several pages ago, someone was lamenting the fact they really wanted to see what a Earth Battery output was like.

So I connected my cro up to my EB electrodes and provided the answers, now I will not accept any blame for doing this, I saw my actions as helping someone out who really wanted to find out just what was the energy in the EB.

The direct result of my posting my scope results has got another 2 people to do the same thing.

If you think what I am saying is not the right thing to do, then all I can say, go back and read the posts before the off topic post begun and see for yourselves.




I will now answer Jeannas questions as best I can, here in this forum, as she asked them here in this forum.


Jeanna,
The wave never seems to stop or come to a rest, it wriggils all the time, this makes it very hard for me to do anything with it except look at the wave form.

You are lucky you can "sample and hold", my cro cannot do this.

You mention it flipped up and curves down, last night I couldn't understand that, then to day, I took a look at the 2 videos you made, and watching them I realised, you had been able to shade in the middle of the wave, then after it passed the middle line it passed below.
(nice straw hat)
Once a gain my cro can't do this shading in.

Lastly, I have no way to find out the frequencies, a guesstimate would be in the 2mHz ball park, as you have mentioned, however at this point in time, it would have to be me relying on your measurements, as I said, there is just too many wriggling lines on my cro, and I can't freeze/hold them.

Thankyou

jim

@Bill,
If you think I have over done this post, then I will remove it, I will leave the decision to you.

hooroo

jim

Jim
I agree  the  Stubblfield  earth battery  is related .......  it may be the ideal  power  source   for  the JT

I have not posted anything on the stubblfield threads for quite a while ..........but I have not given up  on getting  the earth battery  to work  like  Stubblfield did .

Part of the reason   that  I  like  making   JTs on a spool rather than a toroid is there is more room for  experimenting .

I have some theorys   that I hope to test   with a  LM JT
If  they work out ....then I  should   be able to apply  that theory  to  the NS coil  and make it work like a transistor .

That could lead to  transitorless JTs  and  the stubblfield phone


gary