Joule Thief

[danwatchorn]

@ All thanks guys .
I am Getting ready for the Big Earth Battery Show in The Black Hills and have most of The Light inventions ready . I'm too tired to snap and edit pictures tonight but i have two units  that's are running 25 leds  on a 12 foot wire drawing 2 ma and running on dead battery's  last i checked the volts were .3 this is with one of My 300 hfe .2 volt germanium's . the other one is self charge assisted and is drawing 9 ma with a standard 2n3904 and 25 leds in a bundle flower . these are all Christmas lights i hacked and soldered in parallel . I also have a Hv camera circuit from goldmine i tuned to 2 ma and its running a bunch of leds also . All this will be tied on one MAx Ultraboost cap fed with the earth battery and My nighttime solar switcher/Charge regulator. ,, I guess i will try and make that 450 mile trip up there for Greg At ARSF Who has Supplied all the Graphs and data logger results and Supplies .  .
The Final Analysis is this . there is Galvanic current and there is Magnetic Current . There is a sweet spot to get the most voltage and the most current . Electrodes placed 20 feet apart produce the Magnetic ley Current and Voltage . 4.8 Volts at a few Nano amps  . Moving the electrodes Close together from one to three feet produce  a maximium of 2 volts and current as high as 15 milliamps with the electrodes we used  . So in bewteen that is your higher voltage and lower current . It depends also on Moisture ,an Doused Ley lines nad material of the Rods . Carbon Fiber Produces more Volts but less Current . Carbon (Pure) Produces the most Current  as does Magnesium . Copper is next .. I know that the mass of the positive electrode increases the current . SO start Getting Some Magnisium Rims . I have the Carbon From The Main World Wide Manufacture who make them for everyone in the world . up tp 6 inches round and 4 foot long . (power) Thats all for tonight ..

Sweet Electric Dreams

Gadget

@ All Please forgive me, but I couldn't post a personal message, so I'm asking here...

@ Gadget
Where and when is this Black Hills show?  I live in northeast NE and would like to go!

[jeanna]

....then I  should   be able to apply  that theory  to  the NS coil  and make it work like a transistor .

That could lead to  transitorless JTs  and  the stubblfield phone
gary

COME ON you guys.
The Stubblefield battery IS a joule thief.

It is a transistorless joule thief.

I wrote a big page about it on Bill's bifilar thread a while back when it all came together for me.
The troubles with not having a transistor but having a spark gap instead are the very high frequency and the
variations in humidity  and
the unwanted sparks
etc.

Tesla devoted pages and probably years to overcoming the problems inherent in the spark gap.
This is all he had to cause a frequency of stop and start.
This stop and start is what he needed to make the pulsing non steady current he believed would be better.

Back then, they called this "make and break".
We are unfamiliar with that term, but before the 20th century, the electrical engineers had to use sparks... for everything including proving there was electricity in the wires.

When Stubblefield referred to the 'normal make and break' we were all puzzled. If you look at some of the writings from back then, you see make and break are referring to sparks, or spark gaps.

ahem, I will quiet down now.
Really, Nathan Stubblefield invented the joule thief and the cell phone.
It is no wonder he was so bitter.

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So Gary,
This way of winding is just the way Hazens was winding his? You made yours with 10 taps instead of only one so you could easily tune it. I get it. Thank you.

I better go find 2 matching jt's the day is running away.

BBS,

jeanna

[resonanceman]

COME ON you guys.
The Stubblefield battery IS a joule thief.

It is a transistorless joule thief.

I wrote a big page about it on Bill's bifilar thread a while back when it all came together for me.
The troubles with not having a transistor but having a spark gap instead are the very high frequency and the
variations in humidity  and
the unwanted sparks
etc.

Tesla devoted pages and probably years to overcoming the problems inherent in the spark gap.
This is all he had to cause a frequency of stop and start.
This stop and start is what he needed to make the pulsing non steady current he believed would be better.

Back then, they called this "make and break".
We are unfamiliar with that term, but before the 20th century, the electrical engineers had to use sparks... for everything including proving there was electricity in the wires.

When Stubblefield referred to the 'normal make and break' we were all puzzled. If you look at some of the writings from back then, you see make and break are referring to sparks, or spark gaps.

ahem, I will quiet down now.
Really, Nathan Stubblefield invented the joule thief and the cell phone.
It is no wonder he was so bitter.

====

So Gary,
This way of winding is just the way Hazens was winding his? You made yours with 10 taps instead of only one so you could easily tune it. I get it. Thank you.

I better go find 2 matching jt's the day is running away.

BBS,

jeanna

Jeanna

I agree that what Stubblfield  made was a transistorless JT
I do not think he needed a spark gap  to make it work .

I  think a couple of things were wrong or missing  while we were expermenting 

For the most part  we made long  skinny coils
I read somewhere that the  best  configuration  for  a solonoid coil is  1.5 times  as wide as it is long .......  long and skinny  can hurt performance .

I  believe that part of  that made  possible the discoveries of Tesla and Stubblefield is  that they did not have the fancy  meters and  stuff that we have  now ........so they made up for it  with BIGGER  hardware .........bigger  coils .......  We for  the most part made little tiny coils .

The last   thing  is what could  be called  coil geometry
The coil geometry  I am talking about is not taught in any  school today .
Tesla knew about it .   A Tesla coil  will not work  right if  tightly coupled . It  has to be loosely  coupled  for the secondary  to reach  high frequency and high voltage .
I am telling you now ......the  secondary of  a NS coil must  be loosely coupled too  .

I believe that most of what    kept  your  attempts  at the NS coil from working was the proper space  between the  bifilar  coil and the secondary .

What  is the proper  space?
I don't have any idea .............but I am hoping  that I can work it out with my LMs   whenI get  far enough along .

gary 

[resonanceman]

So Gary,
This way of winding is just the way Hazens was winding his? You made yours with 10 taps instead of only one so you could easily tune it. I get it. Thank you.

Jeanna

I am not sure that you got it yet ..

I do not remember Hazens makiing JTs without  toroids .
My LMs are  wound on  the spools that the wire comes on .
With my first  few coils I just  sanded the enamel  off both ends and  added a  primary .

The  10 tap  coil  was not  made so that  I could tune a JT made with it .......it was made so I can tune  " stuff "   Such  as  what is the best size  coil  to provide  a load for a particular JT   without  choking the circuit .
To  large of  a coil  chokes the pulses ......to small ...... and   you have little to make  flyback with .


gary 

[resonanceman]

the Eb is My foundation for free energy now and forever . I will not power  with a 12 volt battery or go higher on the input unless a one volt power supply is supplying the 12 volts . period. the reason is simple . EB is FREE . 12 volts cells are not .

Gadget

This is one way to go ...........but it is not the only way .
An earth battery  might  be a great way to  start powering a house ........but it will never be portable .

It is also not exactly free
The  copper in a large  NS  cell could  be very expensive .
A battery  running a large JT  with the right feedback to source  may be cheaper in the long run .
I am  pretty sure that because my  LMs are bigger   ......  I can   raise  the  power  by using  higher voltage  batterys .   The limit  should be when my coils  start to get hot .
I think that once I  get the  right  configuration    so that I am making maximum   flyback  with minimum  losses   the relatiionships  will  hold with higher power .


gary

Edit

Notice I said that I think the RELATIONSHIPS  will hold at higher  voltage.....  the  frequency  probably  WILL change but it will change the same for  both coils.