Joule Thief

[jeanna]

this i dont understand, there is the "old rule" electronics and the "new rule" electronics, the old rule is that electricity flows from + to -, the new rule is just the opposite....

Hi Artic Knight,
It really is the electronics rule and the physics rule.

Physicists do not deal with transistors, and EE's don't deal with electrons.

The electronics texts etc all explain how electrons which are negative move toward the +. Then zam! without warning, as soon as they get into anything electronic like a transistor or a diode, the story switches to what 'they' call conventional current which was defined by Ben Franklin, and no one has the guts to change it.

I spent hours explaining how a transistor works to myself in a way that works with physics theory.

xee is flexible of mind and can use both ways of thinking. I am grateful for this. His explanation is fine with me, even though the electrons don't really move anywhere either. And, that is another story.

Physicists don't like to change their ways of thinking either.

OK, I have 3 favorites for you.
the first 2 are Bill Beaty and the 3rd is Barry's coilgun where he refers to Beaty.

BTW B. Beaty designed the excellent lightning display at the Boston Science Museum with the 100,000 volts lightning and the person in the faraday cage narrating what is going on to the audience.

http://amasci.com/emotor/cap1.html

http://amasci.com/caps/capnotes.html

and

http://www.coilgun.info/theorycapacitors/capacitorcharging.htm


Enjoy,

jeanna

[Mk1]

@jesus

Where you see failure i see progress , blowing a inductor from a dead battery , humm

Also spiritually , you didn't get the lion out this time , you are not in it for your pride but all humanity , lets the divine inspiration speak , lets it speak louder ...

Don't worry even if you cry wolf to many times , people will still watch but will be more prudent in there reply .

Maybe the battery is wrong for this look into nickel iron battery.

mark 

[stprue]

Hi Artic Knight,
It really is the electronics rule and the physics rule.

Physicists do not deal with transistors, and EE's don't deal with electrons.

The electronics texts etc all explain how electrons which are negative move toward the +. Then zam! without warning, as soon as they get into anything electronic like a transistor or a diode, the story switches to what 'they' call conventional current which was defined by Ben Franklin, and no one has the guts to change it.

jeanna

This is true, no one wants to change it because that is how we have been learning about the flow of electrons for so long that if we change it now, two  (hehe) many people will be confused!

[jeanna]

@Jeanna

is that great high voltage peak to peak or RMS?

I have been told by the guys that know that the RMS does not apply here, so that is Peak to Peak. It is how my scope is set. (every once in a while I push the wrong button and I panic because the volts drop through the floor.)

We are working with a different principle.
None of us really knows what will be the end result. - Of course you know that... you are an experimenter too.

For instance,
I keep reporting on the "quality" of the wave, but I have no idea if it actually matters.

It is very possible that as long as there are enough spikes (high enough frequency) the skinnyness of them won't matter. I am noting them just in case it does.

So, peak to peak across the secondary wires without a diode or cap unless otherwise noted.

edit add:

3T/3T and 20T-up by 20T-down one one side only...

That amounts to the Hazens style, so it will be a good one to remember to tune and get it as perfect as possible before going to the nexr stage. cool.
jeanna

[stprue]

I have been told by the guys that know that the RMS does not apply here, so that is Peak to Peak. It is how my scope is set. (every once in a while I push the wrong button and I panic because the volts drop through the floor.)

We are working with a different principle.
None of us really knows what will be the end result. - Of course you know that... you are an experimenter too.

For instance,
I keep reporting on the "quality" of the wave, but I have no idea if it actually matters.

It is very possible that as long as there are enough spikes (high enough frequency) the skinnyness of them won't matter. I am noting them just in case it does.

So, peak to peak across the secondary wires without a diode or cap unless otherwise noted.

edit add:That amounts to the Hazens style, so it will be a good one to remember to tune and get it as perfect as possible before going to the nexr stage. cool.
jeanna

Yes I have been think about frequency/voltage combinations for some time, and have also been interested in 2 or more frequency in a circuit.

As you stated above

[/quote]It is very possible that as long as there are enough spikes (high enough frequency) the skinnyness of them won't matter. I am noting them just in case it does.

I feel there is something to this and to understand it I think about this expmple like mass and exceleration.  You know where I'm going with this one.

In regards to frequency or multiple frequency's my insprition is from the ocean.  I remember seeing a documentary on rough waves and there formation.  You may be surprised or not that these waves occure all the time and are very frequent.  There formation relies on very simple principals and they basically occure by aborbding the waves/energy around them when the speeds/frequency's are right....What happens a 10' wave suddenly becomes a 50' wave.  Man I think I was just rambling...Sorry