Joule Thief

[jeanna]

@NOP and xee,

So, what is the 5 watt tube using if you

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you can't simply assume the output of his jt is 5 watts just because the tube is rated for 5 watts.

and
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The power delivered to tube is less than power used from battery.

Is this for real?
What on earth CAN you assume?

We seem to be going around in circles.
On the one hand the laws of physics are used recursively to keep all assumptions inside the "Known" box,

(this is reasonable enough for trained people,)

and on the other we cannot assume that when we turn on a 5 watt light that we are giving it what it needs , which in this case would be 5 watts?

thank you for any thoughtful answers,

jeanna

[TheNOP]

@NOP and xee,

So, what is the 5 watt tube using if you

1-and
2-
Is this for real?
What on earth CAN you assume?

We seem to be going around in circles.
On the one hand the laws of physics are used recursively to keep all assumptions inside the "Known" box,

(this is reasonable enough for trained people,)

and on the other we cannot assume that when we turn on a 5 watt light that we are giving it what it needs , which in this case would be 5 watts?

thank you for any thoughtful answers,

jeanna

you can assume that you don't need the energy level to its rated level to make something work.

the cfl does not need 5 watts to light up.
note that this 5 watts rating is to get the "full" britness at 60 Hz.

a one HP motor does not need 746 watts to be able to rotate its rotor.
you do need 746 watts to get one HP of torque tho.

[Pirate88179]

We haven't created any overunity here just an extremely efficient way to make things light up (leds/CLF)  Between the voltage and the frequencies we create efficiencies.  There is a lot more to it then that and there are a lot more qualified people here to ansewer your question in much greater depth but that's the gist of it!

I respectfully disagree.  Input power to my earth battery-joule thief-supercaps circuit=0  Output from circuit=1.95 volts, about 12mA's....enough to light the 48" tube, and soon (hopefully) much more.
But, you are correct in that it is the EB doing this and not the JT.  I am just using the JT as a tool which, by itself, is not OU.



Also, Goldmine now has 285,000 MCD leds (about the same price ea. as you mentioned) and these are the brightest I know about.  I bought a handful of the 265,000's but just received a circular from them listing the 285,000 leds.  my guess is that we probably could not even notice the brightness difference between the two visually.

Bill

[stprue]

@ All

I wish more of you had success with the Hazens1 design.  I have thrown together a very clumsy version following his directions to a tea.  The voltage is far from 404 but like I said this is an unrefined and clumsy version.  It is using 24gauge mag wire maybe 51 up 40 something down/tip31/500ohm pot set on lowest/and a 800volt bridge.

I think people are have success because they are scraping the enamel off the wire and they are not winding properly.  With this particular coil you need to take your time.  We all know Hazens1 has Patience and always carefully constructs his coils.  Any way here are some pics!

@Hazen1 maybe to help some people you should re-post some of your original pics, the one that shows winding direction and how to hook up!

[stprue]

I respectfully disagree.  Input power to my earth battery-joule thief-supercaps circuit=0  Output from circuit=1.95 volts, about 12mA's....enough to light the 48" tube, and soon (hopefully) much more.
But, you are correct in that it is the EB doing this and not the JT.  I am just using the JT as a tool which, by itself, is not OU.



Also, Goldmine now has 285,000 MCD leds (about the same price ea. as you mentioned) and these are the brightest I know about.  I bought a handful of the 265,000's but just received a circular from them listing the 285,000 leds.  my guess is that we probably could not even notice the brightness difference between the two visually.

Bill

I did not know that 285000 I wish I saw those I just ordered the 265.  As for your EB it is overunity to me too