Joule Thief

[gadgetmall]

@ Bill
Thanks for the kind remarks, TA
Your grouping of several carbon rods has merit, and using plastic ties is something I had not even thought of, top marks for this Bill, I have several tie sizes here at home.
I will pond on this for awhile.

@ Gary,
Thank you for your input also, it is a matter of digesting all this and seeing which is more efficiant at making energy, perhaps a mixture of both ideas will do the job.
Very good ideas from both of you.
Thankyou.

jim

All,
My brother and I decided to visit a trailer shop, upon leaving, I mentioned to the shop owner, I was on the lookout for broken magnesium wheel rims, come out with me he said, look what he gave me, lol
Now I got a little digging to do, but first I have to remove the black and white paint to allow any telleric current to adhere itself to the "electrodes".

I put the cover on the Adj Power supply, just in case anyone was wondering about this, I might have to setup a PC 12v colling fan inside it later on.

A Question Without An Answer
If 2 mice decide to eat from the same mouse trap, at the same time.
Which one tripped the trap? The one on the Left or the one on the Right?
When the trap went off, which mouse said to his off sider, thanks stupid?

I did not put a second mouse in the trap, they both really did feed off the same trap together.

Now I got to start catching up

jim

Jim . Hello mate . That is a Very Sweet Power Supply . I love it ! . And those rims . Yea .. Look  this is a tip about those carbon rods . you can use one of those hose clamps that have ascrew on it  to tighten thoe rods and put a wire in there to make contact . I have mentions this before as far as Carbon rods . Welding Shops have them . the are called GOUGING RODS . most are covered with Copper . It Peels off . I leave an inch on the top to solder on a lamp wire . you can Bundle several of these bu soldering them together and then use a tye wrap . This is what i use . Any welding shop or welding supplies store can get them . .

Defiantly the mouse on the left said you Dumb A**  before he croked
About the Magnesium rims . I check with several sources about the content of magnesium and one guy said they are 95 percent magnesium . i have my Peugeot rims checked with a "Gun" that shoots a beam on the metal and tells what metal its made of and mine are 97. % magnesium  . 3 percent Titanium silicon .so these will work Very well for an earth battery and wont degrade before were long gone and turned to dust . I have seen them in junk yards half buried for 30 years and the exposed part looks perfect and i suspect the part in the ground has only minor pitting . You are going to beat me burying My rims . I have tires on mine and have to get them off first .. I bet you will get over 500 milliamps on them and your carbon rods .
  Also remember that old catalytic converters have platnium electrodes in them as well . it looks like honeycombs and some have platinum balls . The junk yars give a large amount of money for these and i bet the platinum will be the best electrode beyond magnesium .
Believe it or not but carbon fiber fishing rods give higher voltage but less milliamps . this is the rods used to get over 4 volts in Gregs test (ARSF)in the Black Hills of nc . His rods were 20 feet apart and he used magnesium and carbon fiber . the only thing is the ma's were down .

Gadget .

[altrez]

Wow that is fast.
I know you have to go back to work tomorrow morning. Some numbers together would be great, like
Volts , and amps, and frequency.

Actually, I am confused about what the second battery is doing, or what the first rectified voltage from the first pick up is adding to the second jt if there is already a battery there. I may have it pictured wrong.

BUT FIRST...

I have a question. This is easy to do.

Take out the transistor from the second level and see if the lights go out anywhere.

My 2 tier thing happened because MK1 had just said the 2N2222 could be turned around. The lights on my second level were so dim I took the transistor out to turn it around to see if that would improve it.

And the thing didn't miss a beat. Literally.

I would like to know if the same applies to what you have because I was pumping AC into my second level and you are pumping rectified DC pulses into it.

Because it is coming in in a pulsing way, I would like to know if the one transistor is enough there too.

Thanks,

jeanna

Late for work. But yes It will work without a transistor and with AC / pulsed DC as long as you have a pulse on the toroid you can get something out of the pickup coils.

Can you re post your plans for your second tier JT I think its much like my design I have been working on and have it working now on my bench / kitchen table

I posted around 150 pages ago a way of adding a toroid to one leg of a lamp. I have just now got around to doing the same on the JT here are some picks of my full setup.

@gadget

did you say you had a ver-resistor that could be fine tuned for sale? This 10k pot is not going to work at very low power for tuning. I also need some low power transistors I am very close to something!

[electricme]

@Jeanna
I don't know if anyone has replied to your question below, (I am so far behind now) if they have then please ignore this.

With 70 lamps= leds, this is probably a pair of strings in parallel. I know to keep the string from frying there is probably a resistor, but if it can light from the wall shouldn't I be able to light it with my jt?

The LED was designed as a current device, in other words, it usage was to light up using current, therefore in all the electronics data magazines, they have current limiting tables for the type of LED that one decides to use for a particular circuit.
The LED was never designed to be used for the purposes we are using it for, lighting it from a Joule Thief, and we are very very lucky that the humble LED will still work at the enormous voltages we all have shoved at it.

But, the day is going to arrive when someone (I think it already has occurred) manages to convert VHV (very High Voltages) with a bit of current, and then we all will have to think about putting a current limiting device back in the circuit.

When this happens, then we will be on the brink of getting usable power out of the Joule Thief.

jim

OOOhhhh I just noticed I'm a hero ha ha ha ............I'm past the general rank n file stage he he

[gadgetmall]

Late for work. But yes It will work without a transistor and with AC / pulsed DC as long as you have a pulse on the toroid you can get something out of the pickup coils.

Can you re post your plans for your second tier JT I think its much like my design I have been working on and have it working now on my bench / kitchen table

I posted around 150 pages ago a way of adding a toroid to one leg of a lamp. I have just now got around to doing the same on the JT here are some picks of my full setup.

@gadget

did you say you had a ver-resistor that could be fine tuned for sale? This 10k pot is not going to work at very low power for tuning. I also need some low power transistors I am very close to something!

no I said a very special friend . Jim sent it to me from Australia . I can get them but they are very expensive as they come from international areas . the best price i have found on a resistor wheel imported is 35 dollars . If there is an interest i can have a few imported  and put them up on My site .

[electricme]

@Gadget

Hello there wontalk, thanks for those very kind words, very appreceiated at this end.
Frankly I nearly missed out on getting the power supply, it was advertised as $149 then for 3 weeks there was a sale on it, reduced to $99, the DSE agent in Dalby decided to not honour the discount, so I just hopped in the chariot and drove to Toowoomba and got it from there.

Jim . Hello mate . That is a Very Sweet Power Supply . I love it ! . And those rims . Yea .. Look  this is a tip about those carbon rods . you can use one of those hose clamps that have ascrew on it  to tighten thoe rods and put a wire in there to make contact . I have mentions this before as far as Carbon rods . Welding Shops have them . the are called GOUGING RODS . most are covered with Copper . It Peels off . I leave an inch on the top to solder on a lamp wire . you can Bundle several of these bu soldering them together and then use a tye wrap . This is what i use . Any welding shop or welding supplies store can get them . .

Defiantly the mouse on the left said you Dumb A**  before he croked
About the Magnesium rims . I check with several sources about the content of magnesium and one guy said they are 95 percent magnesium . i have my Peugeot rims checked with a "Gun" that shoots a beam on the metal and tells what metal its made of and mine are 97. % magnesium  . 3 percent Titanium silicon .so these will work Very well for an earth battery and wont degrade before were long gone and turned to dust . I have seen them in junk yards half buried for 30 years and the exposed part looks perfect and i suspect the part in the ground has only minor pitting . You are going to beat me burying My rims . I have tires on mine and have to get them off first .. I bet you will get over 500 milliamps on them and your carbon rods .
  Also remember that old catalytic converters have platnium electrodes in them as well . it looks like honeycombs and some have platinum balls . The junk yars give a large amount of money for these and i bet the platinum will be the best electrode beyond magnesium .
Believe it or not but carbon fiber fishing rods give higher voltage but less milliamps . this is the rods used to get over 4 volts in Gregs test (ARSF)in the Black Hills of nc . His rods were 20 feet apart and he used magnesium and carbon fiber . the only thing is the ma's were down .

Gadget .

I will see about getting some gouging rods soonest as I can, it will be a lot easier handling 6 -7 of these than 30 smaller ones together, the advantage of using carbon rods this way is there will be a larger surface area exposed.

I laughed and laughed at the way you discribed which mouse was at fault, I ended up with a coughing fit, see dead mouses can bite lol.

The catalitic converter thing could be a good thing also, you have some bright ideas Gadget


jim