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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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tournamentdan

Quote from: gravityblock on November 26, 2008, 11:38:53 PM
LMFAO.  An atomic clock is not a mechanical or digital device.  An atomic clock is a clock that uses the resonance frequencies of atoms as its resonator. According to Encyclopedia Britannica, the resonator is "regulated by the frequency of the microwave electromagnetic radiation emitted or absorbed by the quantum transition (energy change) of an atom or molecule. For more information on atomic clocks, refer to wikipedia.

I automaticly assumed this would be understood.  In the very first mention of a clock I did mention atomic clock, and in other places I did not add atomic before the clock. Please note: All mentions of clocks is referring to atomic clocks.


Yes mass will have an affect on a atomic clock because gravity will affect the resonance frequencies of a atom, but gravity does not affect space or time. Why? Because space is nothing. Another word that is equal to space is distance. Space is just distance between point A and point B. You can not bend distance because it is made up of nothing. It is like trying to multiply a number by zero, no matter how you try it, zero is your answer.


As for time, last time I checked time does not have mass or create a wave. Therefor gravity can not affect time. There is no real time line. Time does not travel. Time is instantaneous from one edge of the universe to the other. Time is only a calculation. You can not travel back in calculation.

Yes we will be able to see into the past since light does not travel at the speed of time.
I'll see your theory, and raise you mine!!!

gravityblock

Quote from: PYRODIN123321 on June 21, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
I agree things are very dual, so maybe there is some hidden knowledge there....

would be cool to be able to manipulate time, but how? If it was like electromagnetics -a material or process that could transfer energy into to manipulate time....kind of like the way we transfer motion to electricity, we need a way to transfer electricity to ??? I dunno, the closest I have seen to something like that is T.T. Browns stuff....

I think cuttingedge has some insight on how to manipulate time and space that goes back to the ancient of days.  He may spoonfeed us here and there, but I don't think he will do our thinking for us.

I have some ideas on how anti-gravity may be achieved, but not sure how to test, experiment, or implement this without the use of exotic materials, equipment, and an unlimited budget.  I have ruled out anti-matter, dark matter and negative mass.  Negative mass being ruled out mathematically and not scientifically due to it's apparent non existence.

Think of it as an anti-gravity/gravity magnet where all of the elementary particles have their spins aligned opposite to that of earth, instead of the electrons being aligned to have the same spin as in a magnet.  I will use the term gravity magnet for better reading instead of anti-gravity/gravity magnet.

The problem with accomplishing this, is the entire gravity magnet would need to spin due to all of the atoms collectively making up that particular mass, and this would negate the spin of the atoms and cancel each other out.  I didn't make myself clear on this, but I haven't found a better way to express my thoughts on this yet.

The elementary particles in the gravity magnet would need to be individually separated from each other or behave as such, all having the same spin within the gravity magnet that is opposite to that of the earth.  Since the elementary particles in the gravity magnet will have a different spin as the earth, then the gravity magnet and earth should repel each other.

The gravity magnet needs to be built with Quasiparticles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasiparticle , at the nano-scale level and with an external magnet, electromagnet, or other source depending on the type of Quasiparticles used to determine its spin.  The particles in the gravity magnet will behave as that of a single particle in a system, coupled with the effect the former has on the latter.  The entire gravity magnet will behave somewhat like a single free particle with an effect of the entire gravity magnet.

I'm working on how to simplify this in order for not needing exotic materials so the average person can build and test.  Not sure if this can be accomplished at this low of a level or not.

Quasiparticles and Quasi-crystals may be the road to anti-gravity.  We will never know, unless there is a discussion on how to do it.

Thanks,

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

gravityblock

Quote from: tournamentdan on June 21, 2009, 10:45:49 PM

Yes mass will have an affect on a atomic clock because gravity will affect the resonance frequencies of a atom, but gravity does not affect space or time. Why? Because space is nothing. Another word that is equal to space is distance. Space is just distance between point A and point B. You can not bend distance because it is made up of nothing. It is like trying to multiply a number by zero, no matter how you try it, zero is your answer.


As for time, last time I checked time does not have mass or create a wave. Therefor gravity can not affect time. There is no real time line. Time does not travel. Time is instantaneous from one edge of the universe to the other. Time is only a calculation. You can not travel back in calculation.

Yes we will be able to see into the past since light does not travel at the speed of time.

The length of an object is also the distance between point A and point B, and the length of the object is not nothing, so why is the length of space nothing when it doesn't apply to the length of an object? 

Space contains virtual particles, background radiation and other non-visible energy and matter.  There is dark matter/energy present in space that is not visible.  I can assure you, space is containing something.  If not, then space would not exist.  Without space, then matter can not be contained.  Nothing can not contain something.

An atomic clock that is in the vacuum of space and not under the influence of gravity, will tick faster than under the influence of gravity.

The resonant frequencies of the atoms determines the atom's Time.  If gravity affects the resonant frequencies of atoms, then it is affecting it's Time.

Time is more than a calculation.  Without time, nothing would happen.  Everything would stand still.  The length, width, and height of an object is a calculation of the size of an object, but the object is not just a calculation.

Time is the frequency or how often something is occurring.  If gravity affects the frequency of an atom, then it is affecting how often that atom is generating electromagnetic and gravity waves, etc.  It is also affecting how fast or slow it is oscillating.  It is affecting how fast or slow it is releasing and absorbing energy.  It is affecting how often something is occurring or not occurring.

Time is real and is not just a calculation.  Time is the main factor in how much space a photon of light in the vacuum of space can travel within a given period.  The photon is not massless.  It has a slight mass, thus time affects it.  If time didn't affect the photon, then it would be massless in our 3 dimensions and it wouldn't be confined to the speed of light. 

Virtual particles are massless in our 3 dimensions, and these particles can travel faster than the speed of light within our time dimension, since time in our dimension is not affecting them.  If the magnetic field can get out of a black hole, then this suggests that the virtual particles are traveling faster than the speed of light and is massless within our time dimension.  They may be affected by time in another dimension and may have mass in another dimension, but not within our dimension.  This is the frequency of Time.  The frequency of time allows for a specific dimension to have 3 dimensions for mass with it's own independent time dimension, which can contain other dimensions for mass with it's own independent time dimension. and so forth.

The magnetic field is made up of virtual particles that are massless in our 3 dimensions, and is not affected by time in our dimension, but may be affected in another dimension than ours.  The magnetic field and gravitational fields are operating on a different frequency of Time than the frequency of Time within our dimension. 

Physics and science will never isolate the particle or wave that is responsible for gravity using a physical device since it is massless in our dimension.  Meaning it has no length, no width, and no height in our time dimension.  It can only be observed in our dimension as an affect of mass.  They will not be able to unify gravity with the other forces of nature, until they take Time into consideration.

I am sure there is no way of convincing you otherwise, and I respect your opinion.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

onthecuttingedge2005

Bending the Arrow of Relative time into an inverse Archimedes spiral isn't easy, it requires a lot of Nuclear energy, the other problem is that Humans can't bank into a circle at C that tight without dying, Humans have to be stored in a quantum teleportation buffer and that alone requires a Quantum Super Computer, Humans would go mad if they tried to make an inverse time journey where everything appears to melt into one environment and nothing seems to make sense, also, Humans can't think fast enough to do work at those speeds, it is an entirely automated system and this has to occur at certain velocities where Humans are pretty useless as pilots. traveling the inwards into an Archimedes spiral at close to or at C is very dangerous if not done the way it is supposed to be done, we still have some technologies that need to be perfected first or else it will be impossible. the Zero Point Dimension is a Wormhole throat and it takes a lot of mass and velocity traveling inversely in an Archimedes spiral to such the Zero Point throat to open up and then shoot into it before it closes, the zero point dimension leads to all time and to all possible Universes.

Remember the Door that no Man Opens and No Man Shuts? This is why. it is also referred to as the very narrow road/Place/Path.
Jerry ;)

gravityblock

Thanks for the insight Jerry.  :)


GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.