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Why does mass slow time?

Started by gravityblock, November 25, 2008, 05:31:30 AM

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gravityblock

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Did you read my post on the Quasiparticles, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6157.msg187344#msg187344 , for the gravity magnet.  Since the Quasiparticles would act as a single free particle, wouldn't this cause the gravity magnet to have a relative mass of a single particle, with the affects of a larger mass that would be spinning opposite to the earth for anti-gravity.  Would this slow or speed Time up, or maybe have no affect at all?   I'm not sure about this.  I would like to hear some comments on this from all. 

Thanks,

GB
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tournamentdan

Quote from: gravityblock on June 27, 2009, 10:36:02 PM




It is already mathematically proven that mass or energy slows Time and that Time affects mass also.  It is also proven to be true from scientific experiments thus far.




I wish you would think about what you are saying. Yes gravity affects a atomic clock because a atom has a frequency. TIME DOES NOT HAVE A FREQUENCY AND IT DOES NOT HAVE MASS. So it can not be affected by gravity. The frequency of a atom for an atomic clock is equal to the gears in the big Ben clock.  Also remember time and distance is only a measurement and a measurement can not be bent. Space is not made up of anything it is only a void that has distance. and just because a mass has distance does not mean distance has mass.
I'll see your theory, and raise you mine!!!

newbie123

Quote from: tournamentdan on June 29, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
I wish you would think about what you are saying. Yes gravity affects a atomic clock because a atom has a frequency. TIME DOES NOT HAVE A FREQUENCY AND IT DOES NOT HAVE MASS. So it can not be affected by gravity. The frequency of a atom for an atomic clock is equal to the gears in the big Ben clock.  Also remember time and distance is only a measurement and a measurement can not be bent. Space is not made up of anything it is only a void that has distance. and just because a mass has distance does not mean distance has mass.

Exactly...   But space and time are some of the least understood, and most  fundamental aspects of nature...   Who knows what we'll learn in the future.   

Until you can measure it, arguing about something can be many things.. But science is not one of them.

onthecuttingedge2005

In principle, a black hole can have any mass significantly above the Planck mass. To make a black hole, one must concentrate mass or energy sufficiently that the escape velocity from the region in which it is concentrated exceeds the speed of light. This condition gives the Schwarzschild radius, R = 2GM / c2, where G is Newton's constant and c is the speed of light, as the size of a black hole of mass M. On the other hand, the Compton wavelength, λ = h / Mc, where h is Planck's constant, represents a limit on the minimum size of the region in which a mass M at rest can be localized. For sufficiently small M, the Compton wavelength exceeds the Schwarzschild radius, and no black hole description exists. This smallest mass for a black hole is thus approximately the Planck mass, which is about 2 × 10âˆ'8 kg or 1.2 × 1019 GeV/c2.

Some extensions of present physics posit the existence of extra dimensions of space. In higher-dimensional spacetime, the strength of gravity increases more rapidly with decreasing distance than in three dimensions. With certain special configurations of the extra dimensions, this effect can lower the Planck scale to the TeV range. Examples of such extensions include large extra dimensions, special cases of the Randall-Sundrum model, and String theory configurations like the GKP solutions. In such scenarios, black hole production could possibly be an important and observable effect at the LHC, It would also be a common natural phenomenon induced by the cosmic rays.


trapped photons can build up photon densities, photon induced Blackhole horizons are quite possible in Quantum Physics.

gravityblock

Quote from: tournamentdan on June 29, 2009, 11:40:27 PM
I wish you would think about what you are saying. Yes gravity affects a atomic clock because a atom has a frequency. TIME DOES NOT HAVE A FREQUENCY AND IT DOES NOT HAVE MASS. So it can not be affected by gravity. The frequency of a atom for an atomic clock is equal to the gears in the big Ben clock.  Also remember time and distance is only a measurement and a measurement can not be bent. Space is not made up of anything it is only a void that has distance. and just because a mass has distance does not mean distance has mass.

I have never said that Time has mass.  Just because it doesn't have mass, doesn't mean mass can't affect it or that it can't affect mass.  The magnetic field of flux in a magnet doesn't have mass, but yet it is capable of repelling and attracting another magnet mass or attracting other metals.

The frequency is Time.  Don't confuse the time we use in our daily lives with the Time of the universe.  The time we use in our daily lives is the time that it takes for the earth to make a complete rotation on it's axis and a complete rotation around the sun, etc.  The time we use is based upon certain events and measurements, which is different than the Time governing the universes.  The universe has a different Time than the time we are using, which is not based on our measurements, but is giving us what to base our measurements on.

Do you know what the difference is between a gamma ray and a radio wave?  The short answer is the gamma ray has more energy than a radio wave.  Why does it have more energy, when they are made up of the exact same thing?  It has to do with the frequency and amplitude.  Both the gamma rays and radio waves are sent in packets.  The gamma rays have real quick bursts of packets, while the radio waves have shorter bursts of packets.  As you can see, the frequency or Time is related to the amount of energy that is delivered in a system.  The higher the frequency, the more packets that it can deliver within the same amount of Time.  Time is a factor here, in regards to energy.

The amplitude is proportionally tied to the frequency, meaning if you know the amplitude, then you know the frequency, and vice versa.  The amplitude is related to space, while the frequency is related to Time, thus you have space-time that is inseparable.  The amplitude is the amount of space for a single packet.  Packets can only be sent one at a time, and must wait for the previous packet to be sent, before sending another packet.  Space and Time is what determines the energy in a system.

A large mass will send off packets of energy.  These packets of energy are the size of the mass.  Since these packets are occupying a large area of space, then it takes longer for these packets to leave before another packet is able to be sent.  This is why the gravitational force is a weak force compared to the electromagnetic force.  We have a low frequency or lesser Time and a high amplitude or greater space.  This difference between the frequency and amplitude is what causes the space and time to be curved.  This affects other objects trajectory path, due to the space-time curvature.

In empty space, the frequency or Time is equal to the amplitude or Space, thus no space-time curvature.  Time and Space are being delivered in a continuous stream and not in packets in empty space.  Mass causes Time and Space to be delivered in packets, which gives us frequency of Time and amplitude of Space.  A continuous stream of energy can not have a length, width, or height, it is massless.  Once something has a length, width, and height, then it has mass, and can only be delivered in packets.  It is also true that when something is being delivered in packets, then it will have mass or a length, width, and height.  If it didn't have mass, then it wouldn't need to wait until it could deliver another packet. 

Time and Space are broken up into packets at the plank scale due to a concentration of mass/energy.  Mass/energy is the same thing as space-time, except mass/energy is delivered or made up of packets of energy/mass, while space-time is delivered or made up from a continuous stream of energy.  Time and Space are at 90 degrees to each other.  Mass/energy is made up of packets from a continuous stream of Time/Space.  The larger a mass, the less time it has.  A large mass will cause space-time to be curved, due to it affecting the amount of Time within Space, and the amount of Space within Time.  Space-time is inseparable and are linked together.  If they wasn't linked together, then mass couldn't cause a curvature in it.  Space/Time and Energy/Mass are just different manifestations of the same thing, and so they can affect each other.

Nature has it's own Time Clock that is tied to the very fabric of space.  Forget about your own measurements of time, cause nature has it's own independent Time that it is running off of that can be manipulated by mass and space.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.