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Cavitation. The key to overunity?

Started by Pirate88179, November 29, 2008, 10:50:09 AM

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khabe

Hereby one more picture. You see electrode heater in the foreground. My system is similar but accumulator is much bigger. Somet peoples do not use accumulator at all ...
I do because electricity bit cheaper at nights ans weekends,
khabe

spinner

@khabe

Very nice construction! Yes, Ion heaters - the current passes through water heating it directly...   
But...

!!! This kind of device is POTENTIALLY LETHAL !!!. Even if it's operation is guarded by a good Earthing and ground leakage disconnect circuits.
At this voltages, a few milliamps will probably kill you instantly!
If your heater neutral line gets  broken, the current seeks a new path...

Another serious health concern is the ionization of water... (check out the taste of the water coming out of your heater...)...
Then, electrochemical erosion of the electrodes (titanium, stainless steel)...  The water gets polluted with small but harmful heavy metals... :o

I would kindly recommend you to think about those issues... And you have a family...

Oh, I almost forgot... Why do you think this works better (more efficient) than common heating devices?
The power factor is worse, and it has additional electrochemical (nonreversible) losses....
Did you made any  el. power and heating capacity measurements?

Cheers!

Edit to add:
You're probably using a closed primary water circuit for a central heating and heat exchanger for a secondary  "potable" water... This way some of the problems mentioned above can be avoided... Still - safety/efficiency factors remain.
"Ex nihilo nihil"

froarty

maybe casimir plates formed inadvertently -pitting - the ultrasound would explain increased penetration but the real trick below I just posted on an HHO forum:
skeletal catalyst converts hh to hydrino!
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Guys - everyone should start experimenting with skeletal catalysts - they can turn hydrogen into hydrinos which have hundreds of time more power in their covalent bonds. On October 25 th Rowan University confirmed Rayney nickel supplied by BLP is producing far over unity for the amount of hydrogen supplied. The theory is at byzipp.com/energy. I recommend simple inline filter where carttridge is replaced with skeletal catalyst powder and anything you can do to keep the hydrogen monatomic so it mixes inside casimir cavities that occur naturally in skeletal catalysts. Another possibly is using the powder as an enclosed paste for the hydrogen electrode to capture the hydrogen atoms before they have time to form bonds and incorporate into your existing rigs seemlessly.

Please report back to the forum your results so everyone can help us dial in
on the recipe- BLP wants to sell premixed skeletal catalysts but the theory
dictates that HHO kits can perform the same function!

there are numerous skeletal catalysts most of which have cavities and pores that provide increased surface area, The casimir effect requires metal pores where walls are less than 2nm apart -the mon-atomic hydrogen atoms must form covalent bonds while they are in the casimir cavity to produce hydrinos so getting a significant proportion of hydrinos will take some finesse. I would not be at all surprised if some of the claims previously labeled as fradulent regarding HHO are actually just fluke formation of hydrinos due to microscopic metal cavities associated with pitting. this represents a new chapter in chemistry/physics and the price to play is peanuts!

khabe

Quote from: spinner on December 08, 2008, 03:31:42 AM
@khabe

Very nice construction! Yes, Ion heaters - the current passes through water heating it directly...   
But...

!!! This kind of device is POTENTIALLY LETHAL !!!. Even if it's operation is guarded by a good Earthing and ground leakage disconnect circuits.
At this voltages, a few milliamps will probably kill you instantly!
If your heater neutral line gets  broken, the current seeks a new path...

Another serious health concern is the ionization of water... (check out the taste of the water coming out of your heater...)...
Then, electrochemical erosion of the electrodes (titanium, stainless steel)...  The water gets polluted with small but harmful heavy metals... :o

I would kindly recommend you to think about those issues... And you have a family...

Oh, I almost forgot... Why do you think this works better (more efficient) than common heating devices?
The power factor is worse, and it has additional electrochemical (nonreversible) losses....
Did you made any  el. power and heating capacity measurements?

Cheers!

Edit to add:
You're probably using a closed primary water circuit for a central heating and heat exchanger for a secondary  "potable" water... This way some of the problems mentioned above can be avoided... Still - safety/efficiency factors remain.

I told you before - I pay with this direct  3ph 12kW (18A per phase) electrode device less than I paid with 9kW 3ph common resistrance heater. It heats much faster up to needed degrees.
Its just is more efficient. I have +250m2 house - all keeped warm. I know what I paid before and what was need to pay when new heater built and installed. These money are the only measurements  ::)
Now I have one more novelty added - air/water heat pump converter. It keeps my system ca 50C...60C degrees. - winter time  "Ion-Heater" will just come to help.
Totaly I have lessened more than twice spendings for electric heat although now I use "lazy man ventilation" - windows little bid open even winter time - Im serial pipe-smoker  ::)
Before it was impossible because high costs.
I do understand you worry abour safety - I did also - but two years show me that no risk. I have dublicated Neutral and very thick additional grounding and good automatics ...
I have examinized my system - no leakages, no stray currents, no strange corrosions ... I even can touch metallic parts of my heater with my "piloman" :o
cheers,
khabe

I found more realistic figures about resistance water heaters:

35 gal. or less   0.94%   
36 - 45 gal.   0.93%   
46 - 64 gal.   0.92%   
65 gal.               0.91%   
66 - 118 gal.   0.88%   
119 + gal.   0.83%   

It depends about  Tank capacity ( system capacity also )
I have 2m3 Tank + circulating system

khabe

ramset

Khabe
Nice skills you have![not for everyone though]
Bill
I appreciate your skepticism. I was sold on this only because of something user Feynman discovered about Thrapp and his people .
They hold patents on things we use every day, the laser thermometer being one of them.[it would present a huge credibility issue for them if they were also scammers]
In talking to a scientist in this field [underwater transponders] he asked if I could get a photo of the transducer.
  Do you have the ability to pull a shot of that transducer off the vid and post it here?
Chet
Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma