Cavitation. The key to overunity?

[Paul-R]

Thanks. Koen1! 


@Paul-R

"This Dale Pond video is just another delusion."

The guy is talking a lot about how science was and still is wrong, ... he is talking about oscillation, cavitation, and even water hammer effect as being OU... etc....
As it is normal with such people - all talk, but no proof....


"Lol, JWK is a certified charlatan, one of the first and most known fraudsters ...."

What, you didn't knew that?  The Hydro-Vaccuo stuff, and all the fancy talk, the drained investors and his pneumatics hobby? 
I suggest you search the web....

I asked if you had any evidence. Do you have any?

[Koen1]

@Koen1
Sorry i messed up one of the links above... but can you just confirm that this is the spheric device we are talking about - in this video here?   THX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxnEQssJ4FQ&feature=PlayList&p=C9FA62002A6557CA&index=0

Dann

Hey no problem dude, people make mistakes sometimes. Just a little url error, it happens.

Yes, that it the same thing. The guy with the beard is Thrapp, if I am not mistaken.
We discussed Thrapp and his OU device claim, and the documentation from Thrapp's organisation/foundation
some time ago, something like a year or two ago... We being some of us here on the forum, and
I seem to recall Stefan Hartmann (forum owner and admin) tried to contact Thrapp to get more info.
In the end all we got was text basically repeating that he claims to have an OU heater and that
those willing to work "for the good of humanity" and willing to pay something like $100 to have him
come and do his presentation would be given more details on the device. If you really wanted a device,
you need to pay even more. And you're not getting any guarantees.
Or at least, that's what I recall from back then.
In the end we were unable to get any clear details on the construction, design, nor functioning of the device.
Thrapp clearly was not willing to share his OU breakthrough with anyone unless they pay him
up front without any guarantees that you're actually going to get anything for your money.

And that is fairly typical scammer behaviour.

Which is even more surprising because they claim to be in it for the benefit of mankind and
out of christian love for the fellow man and all that... So why then not just spread the word,
why then would they focus so much on getting your money?

Anyway, it's the very same video that we saw back then, and it still looks like
he's pulling some coil-like contraption out of the metal sphere.
And that makes me question whether it really is a form of sonically induced
cavitation, as I still don't see how you make sound with a coil.
Besides that, it seems to me that the most logical spot for cavitation to occur
in a spherical container, would be in the center of the sphere, where all
pressure waves can collide into a focussed point. It seems to me that
placing a rod with a contraption on it in the center of the sphere would
very much interfere with that process because it occupies that cavitation
spot.
So even if I'm totally off and the contraption on the rod is a funky weird
form of sonic inducer (speaker), then it still would seem to be in the spot
where you don't want it to be if you want to achieve concentration of the
pressure waves in the center. And really, the only good reason for a spherical
container would seem to be that nice contentration and reflection of the waves
to the center point.

I shall try to find you that original thread if I find some time later today.

@Paul-R: check out http://www.keelytech.com by our fellow forum member
Hans von Lieven for some good Keely info.

[ramset]

@Koen  Quote from Hans at Keely net  "I have come up with some startling revelations that seem to indicate that Keely's technology is real."
How does this make @spinner's post a good post .Unless you also feel Keely a joke and a fraud?
I think there is not enough info to declare Thrapp a fraud and a trickster [miss guided religious zealot maybe?]  Switzerland comes to mind
And I suspect that would make old man Peter Davies[and his bells A fraud also ]
I am not so sure we Know enough about water yet to ignore these devices, or fit them in a standard box
   Chet

[Koen1]

Ehm... Have you actually checked out Hans's website on Keely?
If you did, you would have seen that Hans makes a very good
case.
Basically, no, I do not think Keely was a complete fraud.
I believe Keely did some very good work in the field of acoustics,
and that he basically managed to make a sonic "laser" like
Hans von Lieven describes.
At the time, such work on harmonic waves and coherent
"polarised" oscillations had not been as extensively studied
yet as it has been nowadays, and he did probably manage to
produce some seemingly remarkable results.
That said, his sound wave based machines were very sensitive
to disruptive ambient sounds and probably only worked
continually when care was taken to avoid such ambient interference.
Which Keely himself most likely knew very well as he had himself
discovered how difficult it was to isolate the desired frequencies
used in his experiments.
As Hans says, it seems very likely that Keely knew damn well that
his devices would "grind" to a halt when connected to and used
as mechanical engines, because the slightest resonant oscillation
could knock the sound off key and stop the machine from functioning.
This is similar to the problems that arise when you try to use a
badly isolated electric motor in an environment where lots of stray
and strong magnetic fields and electric fields fluctuate about: the functioning
of the motor will be obstructed and it will not run properly anymore.
Keely most likely knew this but after having spent most of his life studying the
ideas and after having built a name for himself he couldn't really tell people
that now could he... And he was correct that his ingenious methods and
devices for utilising sound waves were a field that was hardly known before
he started working on it. In fact, a lot of his work is similar to the later work
on resonant waves, but he used sound instead of the electromagnetic
waves that were later studied so extensively.
So yes, he was a bright guy and yes his work is remarkable and yes he
did pioneer some of the sonic resonance field.
But in my opinion no, he did not invent an OU device that could actually
run a car or power a household continually. He may have invented a device
(his "rotary engine") that was able to run at apparent OU in a properly isolated
room for certain periods of time. Untill the harmonics were "broken" by
sound interference from the environment.

So no, I don't think Keely was a joke nor a complete fraud, but I do believe
that most OU/FE info about Keely is overenthousiastic and that he was not
the free energy guru they tend to make him out to be.

I am not sure what you mean with your remarks
"Switzerland comes to mind"
What's with Switzerland? You mean Methernitha and their Testatica?
If so, what the beep does that have to do with Thrapp and his water boiler?
"And I suspect that would make old man Peter Davies[and his bells A fraud also ]"
No clue what you mean there.

I am pretty sure we know enough about water to study these devices.
If those guys can build them, they can tell us how to build them,
and then we could see if our replications are indeed OU.

If people claim they have an OU design and claim they have proof that
it really is OU, and they claim they want to spread the design to get
free energy to all people for the benefit of mankind,
then it is, in my opinion, highly suspicious when they keep asking for
money and never start to give the info away freely, and still keep
advertising their device for a decade or so...

[ramset]

Koen  O.K  Thanks for your responce
My bad .I should have posted links on the Peter Davies water heater [looks like Witts turned inside out]
I will post a link tonight after work
   Chet