On the Path To HHO

[CrazyEwok]

For lack of a better forum i thought i would post this here.
This is about the idea of running an engine of the fumes of petrol. The HHO part will come into it with direct injection of the hydrogen into the fumes and the oxygen into the air intake. A couple of questions i hope you all can help me with.
1. Will standard fuel injectors inject fumes on a long term basis without excessive deterioration?

2. From my understanding (and correct me if i am wrong please!!!) the injection system is done by the fuel pump maintaining a pre-determined pressure (set no doubt by the manufacturer) and the injectors have a set amount that they collect at this pressure and then pump it into the cylinders. So if it were to be a gas before it was taken in by the injector would the pressure need to be changed?

3. Does anyone know the effects of a magnetic field on the fume production of gasoline.


Sounds strange but i have an idea that could bridge the gap with HHO and the current day. If my idea of running a EFi engine on fumes will increase efficientcy (properly tuned) simply adding the HHO to the mix would improve efficientcy further and then you could work on reducing the pressure in the fuel rail (crimping i suppose) so that you can reduce the amount of "fuel" (hydrogen/Gas fumes) so that you can get the increased air to fuel ratio that hydrogen needs to operate at its fullest. I am not sure if this has been addressed. If it has i am sorry for brining up old ideas. but I am more looking for ideas that can be the stepping stones for society and a solution to our problems now... not when HHO becomes comercially available.

The Idea:

Winding an electro-magnetic coil around the fuel rail to produce enough heat to turn the fuel into fumes before it gets to the injectors. this would mean that the fuel pump would need to do less work as from memory when a liquid turns into a Gas it expands. This would also decrease the amount of "liquid" petrol available to the injectors. Adjust your timing and I hope that it works out nicely.
One step completed now onto utilizing a hydrogen injection straight into the fumes lowering the fuel consumption even more.

[HeairBear]

The fuel line would have to be a returnless system where the rail does not circulate back to the fuel tank. Vapor injectors would also have to be used such as the ones used in LPG conversion kits. There are a few fuel vaporizers on the market and have been for years, but, do you have the time and money to do the conversion when it would be cheaper to rebuild an old un-computerized automobile. Computers make life difficult for conversions.

[CrazyEwok]

i have an old '83 model Celica XX with a 1G-E engine in it that had the timing belt slip off... so i am going to fix the timing belt then because it is now out of rego i have an old efi engine that i can play with and not worry about blowing it up... also the computer involvment on this engine is minimal from memory...

[HeairBear]

Personally, I think a lawnmower engine would be a better alternative. Any engine you use, you will have a bunch of options. A GEET system is by far the easiest to construct, although, adding HHO to the mix may not work since the temperatures involved will pre-ignite the HHO  as it enters the GEET chamber.



Tom Ogle did something with vapors and got over 100 MPG before he died and the tech was never seen again. Where have I heard that before? http://www.rexresearch.com/ogle/1ogle.htm



There is a ton more to read but I am lazy today and google can help you better than I can. Good Luck!

[frog]

Dan Dingle patent in 1973 will also help in your quest. As will Stan Meyer later patents with his mixer.