"Smoking Gun" - finally!

[AbbaRue]

I was wondering if this effect has anything in common with the T.T. Brown experiments on rock batteries.
The Petroelectric Effect.

An interesting effect I noticed while working on the Dr. Stiffler circuits.
I replicated the first circuits he built and I noticed that the more diodes I had in series the higher the voltage I got.
I would get to a certain voltage and then the voltage would stop increasing.
When I used LED's for the diodes the maximum I could reach was about 98 volts, and then the LED's started burning out.
I had about 40 blue LED's connected in series.

I disconnected the old circuit and tried building his latest circuit but I didn't get this same effect anymore.
Seems something about the old circuit caused this effect. The circuit that used the AM antenna.

[PaulLowrance]

I was wondering if this effect has anything in common with the T.T. Brown experiments on rock batteries.
The Petroelectric Effect.

Thanks for the info. I didn't know T Brown worked on rock batteries. I know John Hutchison is known for his rock batteries in addition to his custom made crystal batteries -->

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNeshiY4ixI

Also Marcus Reid has similar types of batteries. I firmly believe such batteries are made of countless *natural* microscopic diodes. Remember, a diode is formed when two different elements come in contact, *any* two elements. It does not have to be silicon. Of course, some elements are better than others.

There's one active thread at this forum on the John Hutchison and Marcus Reid batteries where people are making their own. In fact, for over the past ... oh at least 6 months I've been doing some similar experiments on normal batteries such as Alkaline, where the Alkaline batteries have been electrically shorted the entire time. The goal is to see if there's a base minimum DC voltage and current the batteries reach. It is a known fact that all *real* matter, especially Alkaline batteries have countless natural diodes. The goal would be to get more diodes aligned in one direction. I theorized that a voltage potential could cause the diodes to align while the material is extremely hot. If the materials not hot, then perhaps over the years ambient thermal energy could slowly cause a small percentage of the atoms to migrate for diode alignments as they are influenced by batteries voltage. So what I'm thinking is that the natural diodes in the battery will cause a net DC current, which will slowly charge the battery.

Shorting various types of batteries is about the extent of my diode battery experiments. One of these days I would like to connect my highly sensitive temperature gradient meter to see if the battery cools down. Here's the three cycles in such an experiment -->

1. Shorted the diode battery.
2. Connect a load to the battery.
3. Leave the battery disconnected-- open circuit.

And repeat the experiment while trying various amounts of resistance in step 2.  The temperature probe is touching the battery during all of the tests to see if and when the battery temperature drops below ambient temperature. Anyone can build this temperature gradient circuit and probe for about $10 to $20. You need two small thermistors (I paid $0.15 each at digikey.com), two fets (I'm using NTE452), three op-amps, and some R's and C's. You can detect temperature gradients less than 10uC (1/100000 C).

Most of the people in the Hutchison battery thread are getting power levels high enough relative to the size of the baked battery to detect a temperature drop. I have sent a private PM to two of the guys there. I don't know why they're not pursuing that simple measurement. They may think the energy is not coming from natural ambient thermal energy, but I disagree.

Here's a small outline of my diode battery page -->

http://greenselfreliantenergy.com/physics/diodebattery/

PL

[AbbaRue]

I've been experimenting with crystal batteries as well, I have a few posts in the Hutchison Cell thread.
T.T. Brown was the first to discover the effect in Basalt and Granite.
Strangely I can't find the website anymore were it showed diagrams and explained his findings.
Mining companies used his Rock Battery to search for minerals.
The voltage given off by the rock changes as it is moved across different landscapes.
Also he found that the position of the moon effected the voltage output.
Which suggests that the effect is gravity related.
A link that may be useful:
http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm

[AbbaRue]

An idea that comes to mind regarding this thread is Electrets.
If we made a negative electret and a positive electret and placed them together, wouldn't they act like diodes?
Place thousands of electrets together in parallel and series and make a similar device to the diode device.
Cabana Wax can be made into an electret and is easy to work with. 
Probably glue gun glue sticks could be heated and charged.
I guess this is a little off topic, but it may be an idea for another thread.
Maybe someone already started one on this, I don't know.
What puzzles me is why no one ever tried making a capacitor with an electret for the dielectric.
The cap would always maintain a charge.

[spinner]

Hi, PaulLowrance!

I see you're seriously involved with the "diode rectification of a thermal noise"
(A 2n'dLoT breaker?)

You're familiar with my views. No point for me to interfere with your discoveries in the future? I give up, you made a personal quest towards those goals, and I applaud you for this...



Johnson's noise rectification.. Diode arrays...?

With an electronic component miniaturisation, this "effect" gets allmost lost. More small component (semiconductor die chips), less "Johnson's  noise" effect. And It becomes even a minor problem with digital circuits (no more analog consistency needed. (Where the thermal noise becomes less important than with the analog circuits...)

Anyway...
Have you considered a double action (bipolar transistor) effect of Johnson's? Instead of a diode, you use an old tech (bipolar) transistor in a double diode connection? Collector/emitter wired together and base as the other electrode? It has a MORE than doubled effect on a Johnson's noise generation...

It works fine with the solar transistor circuits...

It works fine as the very effective "Johnson's noise" generator (if biased)...

So, take a few hundred bipolar transistors in an array (SMD versions are taking less space than diodes) and see what you'll came up with....

As the Johnson's noise is mostly related with a quantity of PN semiconductor material in a component involved (mostly High power or old low tech components...), it may be worth to try an  arrays of the early chips (like s-rams)....

Cheers!