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"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

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Aman Shah

Quote from: Gianna on December 03, 2012, 04:48:07 AM
Lets assume that your theory of horizontal gravity is correct. Would you care to explain why objects on a horizontal surface don't just start moving? I'm rather curious.

interesting.Very good question.
I am not sure but possibly there's some kind of equilibrium between Vertical gravitational force component as well as Horrizontal force component when any object is on a Sraight plane.
I will investigate this in detail.
Also it takes larger time for gravity to bend and reach objects on a table when object is hold straight parrallel to table.

Aman Shah

There are some mysterious places in world,if you have heard of them ,where gravity is unbalanced and where people can walk on walls because of unusual distorted gravitational field.

If you want to know how strange gravity can be,see this:

http://www.ahmedabadmirror.com/index.aspx?page=article&sectid=3&contentid=2012010620120106024723983cc44d8e6

There are few more places in the world where strange effects of gravity are experienced and where researches have came to study.

http://paranormal.about.com/od/earthmysteries/ig/Mystery-Spots-and-Gravity-Hills/

http://www.weirdus.com/states/pennsylvania/roadside_oddities/gravity_hill/index.php

According to scientists,our earth's magnetic field is been disturbed and not 100 percent perfect.Nad hence at few places,we find some mysterious gravity effects.

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/tzLmqWlnBgg

Aman Shah

Quote from: Gianna on December 03, 2012, 05:18:07 AM
How about this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIpJse-L7I&list=LP7jC9Dyta9go&index=9&feature=plcp

the effect is much stronger...

You're not an engineering student are you...

Yes,final year Mechanical Enginiering student.
I don't disagree that some people may always cheat,by showing strange gravity effects which are just tricks.But there are some places where some thing unusual is happening.

My own Mama(Uncle) has visited a place in USA where he was able to walk on wall of a house.
This strange effects will not occur everywhere.
I wouldn't have believed on these websites,but since few of our own relatives have shared their own experiences at such places,its little bit doubtful to me that there's something wrong in orientation of earth's magnetic field in some places.

It is not necessary that if out of 100 websites,99 websites are misguiding,everyone is misguiding.
That 100th website may be true.We should not be blind by overestimating ourselves.We should investigate everything.

Real thing should not become secret forever just because of thousands of false stories on which you will never like to believe.

Same applies to free energy.Real free energy concepts are been taken as fun and joke only due to the mess or nonsense talks of Perpetual Motion Machines which is killing Persion's ability to think the reality.

Infact I have mainly seen only two types of people at such threads where on one side Someone believes on Perpetual Motion/overunity and on other side,some one is totally against any type of free energy except solar energy or wind energy or tidal energy or nuclear energy.

I have rearely saw a persion like me who talks about real efficient possible free energy technologies.Due to this,such forums are not more than nonsense discussions.

You people are not so skeptical about parallel universe proposed by so many well reputed crazy quantum Physicist,then why you are so skeptical about free to pocket energy technologies.Then I should say that you are also skeptical about wind or solar energy!!!!!which are also free energy technologies.

Aman Shah

I think you didn't read few lines in my articles.

Like.....
"It obeys the principle:
Mostly real Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward. "

Like....
"The most problematic thing with many people is they do not think how more amount of gravity can be inputted to gravity powered engine ,than that needed to take ball up. 

If you substract total Gravitational energy input from the energy needed to lift heavy balls up in a gravity wheel,you get some net gravitational energy which is the net energy input to the system(input after subtraction) which can be converted to electrical energy.This is the scientific basis for any real Gravity engine.And hence real Gravity engines are not perpetual and do not violate Laws of energy conservation. 

And I am surprised to know that most people at bessler wheels forum who are trying to make Gravity wheel do not consider this.If you do not consider this,you will never be able to make a gravity wheel. "

Like......
"The criteria for resistance system in my engine is:

1) first of all it should be overcommable.
2) it should be present only downwards and not upward.
3) The resistance system should be highly/reasonably efficient(output by input)
4) Amount of overcommable resistance should be reasonably large enough.

If the resistance cannot satisfy these conditions,then it cannot be used in my engine.

The splashing of water resistance (overcomming of water resistance)is quiet similar to the Overcomming of cantilever beam resistance by the central weight loading.The machenism of failure of two column supported beam(Simply supported beam) works similarly.Let weight W be loaded at centre.The overcomeability of a good beam should be less at initial stage.Initially there will be allmost an equal and opposite reaction from the beam for the weight loading,with little energy spent for deformation.Slowly ATOMIC Dislocation takes place(slippage of atomic planes/slippage of grain boundaries)and a point reaches where stress become unbearable(stress is resistance to deformation).As the stress become unbearable,there will be minimum equal and opposite reaction for the weight loading and then the most amount of continuous gravitational energy will be used to overcome this beam resistance/stress and finally the beam breaks.This is analogous to what happens in my engine with the exception of the speed at which all this happens.This is what I learnt in Material Science subject.No good material science Professor in machenical engineering would deny this. 
The speed of this similar process is actually relatively fast,occurs in extended nanoseconds time in my engine whereas in beams it is very low speed [It occurs in beams due to mainly Creep http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creep_(deformation)  ] 
"
Like........
"For example,If there is a 1 kg of solid powder to be lifted upwards,I need X amount of work done upwards.If I have to push 2 Kg of solid powder downwards,I need to consume X plus X (2X)amount of Gravitational energy. 

Net energy consumed = 2 X -X =X
Which is then converted to Net electrical energy Output.This is what one of the way of satisfacting the Principle, 

Mostly real Gravity engines should work on the principle that the Gravity engine/Gravity wheel systems are innovatively designed to take in (consume) much more Gravitational energy than what energy needed to lift heavy ball upward.

Now notice that this cannot be achieved when such a overcommable resistance gradient occurs only with respect to time vertically.In other words,you need your system to be in a cyclic circular path OR in other words the gradient should occur in a circular cyclic path.
"
Like......
"So,what my engine does is tap the energy required to go against the resistance by the gravity.

Balance energy equation for my concept:

Energy supplied to lift Red ball through commutator controlled motor mode at pivot + gravitational energy required to push the resistance away + frictional losses + other entropy losses = supplied energy recovered though generator mode by commutator control at pivot(red coloured in sketch) + electricity converted from overcoming of resistance+ frictional losses + Back EMF losses + other entropy losses.


It's also right if said theoratically that "energy supplying and recovery process "is just like a or analogous to a catalyst,which is used to let the resistance overcomming process through gravity take place without actually any net change of electrical energy form/format from one form to another form of energy.The energy used to overcome resistance is then converted to electrical energy by a suitable energy conversion system. "

A perpetual Motion machine do not have any balanced Conservation eergy-mass equation.Whereas,my free energy concepts have such balanced equations.

:) That is why I say"Unlearn The Familiar"

Aman Shah

Quote from: Gianna on December 03, 2012, 05:52:45 AM
Your description of  being able to generate more energy by descending an inclined path than is required to lift the object vertically is in direct violation of the law of conservation of energy and the first law of thermodynamics. By implication such a machine would be a 'perpetual motion device'

Are you really that stupid that you cannot see that?

If you are a final year mechanical engineering student as you claim I would have to seriously question the validity of the institution at which you study.

I never said,I generated or created any energy.Only idiots say this. :)
A real free energy device only converts Energy from nature(example :gravitational energy) into electrical energy.

Most real gravity powered engines should have something analogous to a Catalytic reaction wherein chemicals will be introduced inside a chemical reaction to accelerate chemical reaction and these chemicals are recovered back.You cannot call such a reaction to be perpetual.
Similarly,in gravity engines,electrical energy is given and recover so that more gravity can be used to move any object in a completely differernt manner to convert more gravitational energy into electrical energy.

Illustration:
Is this possible???
:" Gravitational energy form=Electrical energy form + losses"

Technically its correct since according to the well accepted law of conservation of energy :
                       "Energy can neither be created nor it is destroyed, however energy can be                                            converted from one form energy to any other form of energy"

Now the question is how we make this possible.

So here is my answer.

"Little External energy source (similar to catalyst) + gravitational energy + losses quantity 1= recovered electrical energy converted from extra gravitational energy acted on heavy ball(similar to a catalyst) + converted Electrical energy + losses quantity 2"