"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[hoptoad]

snip...
similarly, one cannot be 'overdead'...   

Even though, that's how I often feel on some Monday Mornings!
Cheers

[WilbyInebriated]

I have always understood the term "overunity" to mean:  over=above and unity=one or a whole, 100%.

and the impossibility of the word is then obvious.  as much as the coach wants you to give '110%'...  you cannot. you can only give him 100% or less than, but not more than.

that is my point. the word 'overunity' itself is nonsensical based upon ANY of the agreed upon definitions of 'unity'.  thus, either a new and more appropriate word needs to be coined OR a new definition needs to be amended to ol' websters.

[Liberty]

and the impossibility of the word is then obvious.  as much as the coach wants you to give '110%'...  you cannot. you can only give him 100% or less than, but not more than.

that is my point. the word 'overunity' itself is nonsensical based upon ANY of the agreed upon definitions of 'unity'.  thus, either a new and more appropriate word needs to be coined OR a new definition needs to be amended to ol' websters.

But you have to remember, it is not impossible, since you are not performing by yourself.  Therefore, you are not giving more than 100% yourself, it is added to another free energy source that makes the combined output appear as though it is more than the original 100%.

[WilbyInebriated]

But you have to remember, it is not impossible, since you are not performing by yourself.  Therefore, you are not giving more than 100% yourself, it is added to another free energy source that makes the combined output appear as though it is more than the original 100%.

oh god...    here we go again...

can the team give more than 100% ? they are, according to your logic, not "performing by themselves"... 

[Liberty]

oh god...    here we go again...

can the team give more than 100% ? they are, according to your logic, not "performing by themselves"... 

But they are performing as one, a Whole, 100%.  In this case the whole can perform more than the 100% input that was externally added.  It does omit the extra % added by the free energy source, as measured at the output, since the free energy source is not counted as input or as the whole from the beginning.